Poll: Half of American voters believe Donald Trump is a racist

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Egalitarianjay02, Jul 12, 2018.

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Do you believe that Donald Trump is a racist?

  1. Yes.

    36.4%
  2. No.

    63.6%
  1. Egalitarianjay02

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    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist_us_5b3ce1aee4b05127ccee5eb3

    Nearly half of voters think President Donald Trump is a racist, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released Tuesday.

    Forty-nine percent of voters said Trump is racist, while 47 percent said he’s not, according to the poll. These numbers are similar to those from a February Quinnipiac poll, where 49 percent of voters said Trump was racist and 46 percent said he was not.

    Forty-four percent of voters said they think “racist beliefs” were a motive in Trump’s immigration policy, while 50 percent said Trump has “a sincere interest in controlling our borders.” Sixty percent said the policy of separating children from their parents at the border was a violation of human rights.

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    I would like to hear an argument for Donald Trump not being a racist given all of the evidence that he is. From his own words to his policies to the politicians he surrounds himself with there is no doubt that we are dealing with the most racist President in modern American history.

    The arguments of Scott Jennings in the video above comparing the blatantly racist, fear-mongering tactics used to discredit Obama to the opinions of voters who have actual evidence of Trump's racism reveal just how indefensible Trump's words and actions are.

    He's a racist and many people are suffering and dying because of his policies.
     
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    What utter BS
     
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    The folks who believe Trump is racist have no ability to think independently. There is zero proof to support such idiocy.
     
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    There's plenty of proof of Trump's racism, sexism, xenophobia and misogyny in addition to mounting evidence of corruption serious enough to be considered treason. There is more than enough evidence already to make a case for impeachment. Trump's response to all of this controversy and scandal is to lie, deny and cover-up his crimes. The ones that can't think independently are the Trump supporters.




    NYTimes.com - Donald Trump’s Racism: The Definitive List
     
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    and the other half arent morons.
     
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    If you deny facts because of political bias and refuse to condemn policies that violate basic human rights and dignity then that does make you a moron. Many Trump supporters are morons. He's such a bad President that opponents are often baffled when they encounter people who defend him and expect to be taken seriously. Case in point can you or anyone on this board find me one political pundit who has defended Donald Trump against accusations of racism and bigotry who doesn't look like a moron while doing it?
     
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    fake news, fake news...anything critical or true about trump is obviously fake news...
     
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    lets test you on basic human rights. do you support abortion?
     
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    "There's plenty of proof"

    Leftist nutjobs shrieking on the TV is not proof.

    The Quinnipiac poll should have asked if Trump is any more of a RACIST! than the 49% who said he is.
     
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    You didn't answer my question. I will demonstrate my desire to debate in good faith by answering yours. I do not believe abortion is ideal however I recognize that there are situations where an expecting mother may not feel that having a child is good for her life such as if the unborn fetus is a danger to her health or the pregnancy is the result of rape or incest. Given the complexity of scenarios involved in unwanted pregnancies I believe that the option to have an abortion is a medical choice a woman has a right to choose on her own or with the guidance and support of family. I do not believe it is reasonable to make abortion illegal and that pro-life advocates are better off educating the public about alternatives to abortion such as adoption and promoting planned parenthood rather than shutting down abortion clinics which will only drive the practice underground further endangering the lives of women who feel they are not ready for having a child.

    Now in your next response I want to see an answer to my question:

    "Case in point can you or anyone on this board find me one political pundit who has defended Donald Trump against accusations of racism and bigotry who doesn't look like a moron while doing it?"

    One of the human rights violations Trump is getting criticism for is his policy on border control and the treatment of the children of illegal immigrants held in detention:



    What is your opinion this situation?


    Most of the coverage on CNN involves criticism of Trump based on comments he actually made on video, in audio, in print or through social media which are considered to be racist and there are many, many examples that can be cited such as in the video and link I provided. Go ahead and provide examples of "leftist shrieking" about comments you do not feel are racist. So far all I've seen in this thread is denial of real and obvious examples of racism by Trump which only supports my point.
     
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    Trumps border policy, hmmm was that the one he signed an executive order on forcing children to be reuinited with their parents?
     
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    "Go ahead and provide examples of "leftist shrieking" about comments you do not feel are racist."

    The Charlottesville aftermath.

    Trump said something like: there were good people on both sides.

    There was absolutely nothing wrong with that statement, yet the Fake News spun that into a statement of support for everything up to killing and eating babies. Surely, you couldn't have missed the rabid shrieking then.
     
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    His order did not unite children already separated from their parents who were being held in detention with reports of abuse by agents. His policies on border control created the mess in the first place so his executive order was an attempt to correct his mistakes because he was getting bad media coverage over the situation.

    The criticism Trump got for his statements on The Charlottesville Riots, which involved White Supremacists marching to protest the removal of a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee, was that he made a moral equivalence between the White Supremacists marching and the protestors opposing their racist ideology.

    Only a White Supremacist would deny how irresponsible those comments were considering that and other confederate statues are being removed in reaction to the Charleston Church shooting where a young White Supremacist opened fired on a congregation, murdering 9 innocent people. A White Supremacist in Charlottesville drove his car in to a crowd of protesters killing a woman and injuring many others. Trump absolutely deserved criticism for those statements and the media coverage I saw was very reasonable.



     
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    "The criticism Trump got for his statements on The Charlottesville Riots, which involved White Supremacists marching to protest the removal of a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee, was that he made a moral equivalence between the White Supremacists marching and the protestors opposing their racist ideology."


    Yes. That is the Fake News that I am talking about. There is no such equivalency being made in that statement. Anyone who imagines that they see any such equivalency needs to examine the biases in their thinking.

    Can you spot the logical fallacy contained within the argument that they made?

    "Only a White Supremacist would deny how irresponsible those comments were considering that and other confederate statues are being removed in reaction to the Charleston Church shooting where a young White Supremacist shot up, murdering 9 innocent people. A White Supremacist in Charlottesville drove his car in to a crowd of protesters killing a woman and injuring many others. Trump absolutely deserved criticism for those statements and the media coverage I saw was very reasonable."

    Wow! You sure added a bunch of extraneous baggage to a simple statement. It's no surprise that you will claim to believe such nonsense, since you choose to add your own, cherry-picked context.

    "Only a White Supremacist would deny how irresponsible those comments were..."

    As a point of interest, I'd like to add that slandering me with vile epithets, such as "White Supremacist", will not sway me toward your mistaken line of reasoning.
     
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    Lowest black unemployment since they've been keeping the numbers.

    Results is where it's at, not the esoteric elitism in the newspapers and on tv.
     
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    Also, what evidence? Leftists point to the blatantly leftist-allied MSM CLAIMING without proof that Trump is racist AS proof that Trump is racist. The MSM then pumps that non-proof out to the nation 24/7/365 and then acts shocked -- shocked I say! -- when the gullible and non-thinking half of the nation BELIEVES that leftist propaganda.

    The amazing thing is that ONLY half of the nation thinks that Trump is racist. Contrast that with the same leftist-allied MSM HOWLING that Obama was NOT a race-agitator and wasn't secretly a Muslim and then it turned out that about half of the nation believed that Obama really was those things regardless of the massive amounts of pro-Obama political propaganda churned out by the MSM -- again -- 24/7/365.
     
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    What you call Fake News is just the real news. Trump made those statements. That can not be denied. You should examine the bias in your own thinking because it is not unreasonable to conclude that Trump is making a moral equivalence between groups when he takes a neutral position on a very serious incident that resulted in death and injury. Your language in response to a a story like this gives people an impression of your values. Any politician, never mind the President of the United States who does not condemn and denounce White Supremacists promoting their racist ideology is giving the impression that they condone such hateful thinking or don't want to offend these organizations because they want their support.

    Trump is not making America great again. He's making America hate again.


    There is none. If you make irresponsible comments of this nature you deserve criticism. Trump is constantly making statements like this and backtracking because he is extremely dishonest and only cares about scoring the right political points to help his agenda. here are countless examples of him making statements controversial and offensive statements only to say "No I didn't really mean that, I meant this..." when what he said because headline news.


    I'm just relaying facts. When you catch me making false statements point them out.


    I'm not interested in swaying you towards my line of reasoning. Why are you so defensive of Trump and denying his racism? If he really meant something else by his statements and he's not a racist then he is doing a very poor job of trying not to come off like he is. Either that or he's just a pathological liar who will say anything to get what he wants.
     
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    You're not even trying.

    You apparently have the official "Trump is RACIST!" narrative stuck in your head, and appear unwilling to consider that the context, that you view Trump within, has been fraudulently manufactured.

    "Trump is making a moral equivalence between groups..."

    Do you think that I said that Trump didn't make any moral equivalency between any groups?

    What I said is that Trump wasn't making the moral equivalency that the Fake News promoted.

    He equated the good people protesting the removal of the statue with the good people demonstrating in favor of the removal of the statue.

    The logical fallacy is that no one has even attempted to prove that every single person there to support keeping the statue is a white supremacist. Logic dictates that if even one person was just a good guy, who liked the statue, the premise is fallacious.

    "I'm not interested in swaying you towards my line of reasoning."


    Why are you here?
     
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    There were bad people on BOTH sides. barf
     
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    Yep. Bad people on both sides and good people on both sides.
     
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    False. White supremacy crap will get you permanently ignored by me. Im officially done with TDSers. In fact you are permanently ignored for implying "only a white supremecist" Goodbye troll.
     
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    I know full well what Trump meant and these are the type of deceptive tactics he uses to cause confusion among the viewers who lack critical thinking skills.

    Rather than outright condemn the actual violence that occurred during this rally and denounce racism and hate speech he chose to treat the protesters as individuals in which there were "good and bad people" on both sides. I'm all for encouraging free speech and peaceful protests but when you have White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, Klansmen, Neo-Confederates and like-minded hate-mongers marching through the street with torches assuming that some of these people are "good people" is irrelevant. What do they as a collective stand for? It's like saying that some German citizens who supported the Nazi Party didn't kill or torture people during World War II and weren't violent during their rallies. That doesn't mean anything and it's very irresponsible for a President of the United States to speak like this given America's history of racism and current political climate. These sort of comments make racists feel empowered.

    You are posting in MY thread. I have issued a challenge to anyone to explain why they feel that Donald Trump is not racist. You don't have to agree with me and that is why I made my poll so people can express their opinions. So far you have not given any legitimate reason why we should dismiss accusations of racism. You keep using buzzwords like "fake news" to deflect criticism.

    Good riddance.



    Serious debaters are welcome to keep replying.
     
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    "I know full well what Trump meant"

    That doesn't appear to be the case.

    "...and these are the type of deceptive tactics he uses to cause confusion among the viewers who lack critical thinking skills."

    Truth can be confusing, after having been fed a lifetime of lies.

    "Rather than outright condemn the actual violence that occurred during this rally..."

    Would you prefer that he had only condemned the violence, which was initiated by the Antifa-terrorists?

    "I'm all for encouraging free speech and peaceful protests but when you have White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, Klansmen, Neo-Confederates and like-minded hate-mongers marching through the street with torches..."


    Yes, it's easy to defend the free speech of those you agree with. Can you summon the courage to defend the free speech that you detest? Or, do you sympathize with the Antifa-terrorists and the rest of the left, who support that all opposition be bludgeoned into silence?

    "I have issued a challenge to anyone to explain why they feel that Donald Trump is not racist."

    It's a fraudulent narrative. Cynically manufactured solely for political purposes. It's a despicable tactic, and should be denounced by all.

    I don't know how to prove the non-existence of something (Is that even possible?). I countered one specific example of the fraudulent narrative, and you chose to dismiss my argument, without consideration. There's not much that I can do, while under such a handicap.
     
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    No, I rejected your argument as a falsehood. The criticism of Trump's initial statement on The Charlottesville Riots was that he made a moral equivalence between the racists and the protesters. One group was pro-hate and the other was pro-equality. If you are going to condemn behavior of violent protesters do NOT compare sides when you are dealing with hate groups. Doing so gives the impression that you support or sympathize with their ideology which many Americans including myself consider to be intolerable and detestable. I am pro-equality. That doesn't mean I support violent protests such as masked Antifa beating their opposition in the street or vandalizing property or Blacks Lives Matter protesters and the violent elements among them. However I don't conflate the two. Criminal mischief and senseless violence is unacceptable no matter who does it. Racist ideology however is understood by civilized, decent people to be morally repugnant and indefensible. They don't deserve the label of good people. Again it's like plucking one or a few individuals out of a Nazi rally and saying you found a few good men out of a group who approved of oppression and genocide.

    You are entitled to free speech in America not freedom from judgment.

    By the way this is what you actually said:

    If you want me to take you seriously don't use such emotionally charged language. I've already explained what was wrong with the statement and the news is factual not fake. So if you have actual examples of pundits on video that got hysterical over Trump's comments to the point where their commentary can be compared to "killing and eating babies" or "rabid shrieking" then I want to see it and I will respond. The videos I posted are consistent with position. Trump received reasonable criticism in general for the comments he made about The Charlottesville Riots.
     
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    Yep. You dismissed it, without consideration. You continue to simply repeat the false narrative.

    Where is your proof that all of the defenders of the statue are RACIST!, white supremacists. Until you prove that they all are, and then prove that Trump knew that they all are, Trump was correct to say what he said.

    Any false impression given, was given by the Fake News.

    Until you are willing to question your own spoon-fed beliefs, you will remain stuck in a not wholly real world.
     
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