Polyamory next?

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  1. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    What "special" right or privilege does a gay American have that you do not?
    You are dodging the question.
     
  2. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, a person gives themselves rights if they marry?

    By the way, I believe they argued about rights. They claim the right is in the 14th amendment.

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    The same things they argued they lacked by not being married.

    I keep telling you the same thing.
     
  3. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    You are avoiding the question because you know gay American individuals do not have any special rights or privileges that you do not have.
     
  4. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are dodging my question.

    Why would marriage give a person more rights or privileges?

    This is unequal treatment using homosexuals own arguments to the SC.

    I think this is one reason for the 4 dissenting Justices opinions.

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    Then they lied to the Supreme Court. They claimed they lacked rights or privileges.

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    The question you should be asking of the forum is this.

    Why would marriage hand to people more rights or more privileges?
     
  5. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Then your complaint is with Marriage - not just gay marriage. Because gay couples have the same rights and privileges as heterosexual couples.
    So why drag the gay thing into the argument?

    As to the 14th - that applied once same sex marriage was legal in one state but not recognized in another. THAT is where unequal application
    of the law came to be an argument.
     
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    No it says "nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    That means that a gay person has the same rights to a legal marriage as a straight person.

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    BTW, love it when fans of Rush Limbaugh or Newt Gingrich or Donald Trump...


    explain to us how "traditional marriage is threatened"


    :)
     
  7. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, it does have to do with marriage. But until you changed the topic, it had been about unmarried couples moving into polyamory where they will have sex with whomever they want.

    But in your haste to show your affinity for homosexuals, and get upset, my deal is over rights. Homosexuals by tying it to the 14th amendment told us it was over rights.

    Now, suppose there is a major race where runners are to travel say 10 miles.

    Would the married have more privileges? Such as getting a head start?

    This ties into Government giving special breaks to some of us yet not to the rest of us.

    By the way, you do not punish State B for the laws passed by State A.

    The second amendment is sacred. But TX has laws that CA does not have. So do we punish CA over what TX did?
     
  8. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your comments should have been

    Why would marriage give more privileges or rights?

    If rights are the same for all, why carve out special classes?

    Homosexuals made the wrong argument.
     
  9. Daniel Light

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    Then why bring gay people into the argument? They have the SAME privileges as heterosexual couples.

    If you want to argue that married couples, regardless of sex, should not have any special privileges, then that is one argument.
    The 14th Amendment argument used by gay couples was in regards to a marriage in one state not being recognized in another - which is different
    from what you seem to be getting at.

    The privileges for marriage existed long before gay people could marry.
     
  10. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So far, I have yet to find that in any of the posts on this thread. (well, only yours)

    But some love making things up.
     
  11. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As I recall from her article, you charge me over her article. I just posted it and did not care to delete any of her commentary.

    You had no duty to pick me out to discuss problems with marriage.

    I really have long said that there should be no bifurcation of rights.

    To make sure you comprehend, this means that you should not show up in some church or court house and walk out with more rights or privileges than you walked in with.

    You seem to believe in special rights because you are married.
     
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  13. Daniel Light

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    These are not "rights" - they are contractual privileges. They are the same ones those with family ties have. So you are saying that people who are members of the
    same family or married should not have special rights over individuals? Could be difficult given the parent - child contractual relationship.
     
  14. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is what you told me.

    Homosexuals went to court and did so for the wrong reason. The 14th amendment has nothing to do with privilege but only rights. Since to you, marriage is not a right, they went to court for the wrong reason.

    The homosexuals really are not families. They can be described as couples, but one argument the homosexuals favor is that marriage must not include children since that is not why they marry.

    But men and women have a long history of marrying to have children. Some married people do not. But marriage does not have compartments for those wanting kids vs those who do not.
     
  15. Daniel Light

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    You seem confused. Try this again.
     
  16. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The female author that caused me to post this as a topic says this.

    http://polyamorydiaries.com/i-am-bonobo-woman-hear-me-moan/#comment-493

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    You are the messenger. If you hate what you said, try again.
     
  17. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You made a mixed argument that goes like this

    Those are not rights

    Then you changed up and called them rights

     
  18. Polydectes

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    So what rights do homosexuals have that you do not?
     
  19. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I shall try to explain.

    Take the man on the pier at a lake. He has a license to fish for trout.

    I walk up to him and tell him I also will fish for trout.

    He shouts at me telling me he has a license.

    I say, so what, fish don't know that and then the coup de grace.

    I ask him what rights he has that I don't have.

    Marriage is a promise made between a man and the woman.

    If a homosexual man will marry a woman, I support them.

    We then have equal rights.
     
  20. Polydectes

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    There is nothing to explain just list these rights they have that you don't.

    I don't get it.

    In some cases yes, others no.

    I don't think your support matters.

    If two men marry each other how do we not have equal rights. That is the question I'm asking.
     
  21. Polydectes

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    Well It is a logical fallacy. So far polyamory hasn't been viewed the same as same sex marriage. I doubt it ever will be.

    So same sex couples getting married caused this? How?
     
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    So far is the key, thank you for proving the slippery slope concept.
     
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    Government offers no incentives for marriage, whether you are gay or straight. Marriage laws aren't about incentives, they are about protections. The laws in this country are written treating people as individuals, but we recognize many couples choose to live a shared life and would suffer an unfair burden if the law didn't recognize their union. Marriage laws are an incomplete but reasonable attempt to provide protections so the unfair penalties couples would face for that choice are minimized.

    Those protections include the right to not pay inheritance tax on the home a couple built, when one half that couple dies. They include the right not to have the retirement income or health insurance a married couple worked a life to provide be removed, when the wrong half of the couple dies first.

    They include the right not to have to keep secrets within a marriage, because the protection against self incrimination is extended to the whole couple. The right for one half of a couple to have a voice in health care decisions, when the other half becomes incapacitated.

    It includes the right for a couple choosing to live one life, to file a single tax return (even though it means paying more taxes) rather than being forced to keep their finances and assets separate so they can file with the IRS as individuals.

    ... and the thousands of more protections we offer couples who have build a shared life, in a country where the law treating them as individuals would otherwise produce an unfair and unreasonable burden.



     
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  25. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let's end with your first statement.

    It seems very unlikely that I would ever read the comment that the Feds provide no incentives.

    This is exactly what homosexuals craved all along.

    Can I give you incentives or you give me incentives?

    Actually the Feds put a lot of effort into giving incentives.

    That alone explains the left's complaint over the government. To them, the incentives go to the rich. But in grand total dollars, due to the vast population with families, (what follows is my not proven opinion) the most incentives flow to those who marry and have children. The spouse is an incentive as are the children. Though not all mortgages include families, a lot of people do save tax dollars by owning the home. This also saves at the least, huge billions of dollars.
     

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