Pompeo: There Is No Deep State

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  1. Lesh

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    In fact when questioned about it...the Sec of State thought the whole concept was funny
     
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    Don must constantly create new foils to attack or smear to keep the minions eating a steady diet of politically charged red meat. He's constantly looking for targets of manufactured outrage, moving from one to another to keep the circus churning. It's all meant to perpetuate the phony "us vs them" aggrievement syndrome designed to make Don appear to be a victim of the big, bad, establishment.
     
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    And despite what Fox is constantly repeating...there is no "Spygate".

    There was no "imbedded" informant in the Trump campaign.

    THAT is "fake news"...coming from Trump and spread by Fox and other right wing media
     
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    And the NYT.
     
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    Don has learned he can get the minions to believe anything if he just keeps repeating it. The "no collusion" mantra is now being repeated by them as if they were zombies......right along with "witch hunt" and "deep state." These distortions of reality have become routine. The Following is drinking the Kool-Aid in copious amounts and seem to have an unquenchable thirst for it.
     
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    And Pompeo also confirms the Russians helped trump get elected. I wonder if he'll be the next one fired.
     
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    Ike warned us about a deep state he called the military industrial complex, with its undue influence. This lived on past Ike, JFK, LBJ, on and on, and became more powerful with each passing year.

    To say such a thing does not exist is choosing to ignore reality. Hell, you were ever warned about it by a president, and still people live in denial, but generally to suit partisanship. It's crazy.
     
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    Don has learned he can get the minions to believe anything if he just keeps repeating it. The "no collusion" mantra is now being repeated by them as if they were zombies......right along with "witch hunt" and "deep state." These distortions of reality have become routine. The Following is drinking the Kool-Aid in copious amounts and seem to have an unquenchable thirst for it.

    What flavor of Kool-Aid are you drinking today?
     
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    I wasn't aware of the NYT spreading that false claim but they have been known to do that on occasion. Iraq WMDs being the most egregious example
     
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    LOL, the NYT outed the spy without saying his name. Clapper thinks it’s a good thing. One news idiot tried to claim it was for the good of Trump. The left defend it. You call facts a lie.
     
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    There is a military industrial complex. That however is not a "deep state" where all the bureaucrats are working in concert to promote some agenda.

    What Ike was talking about was a bunch of businessmen influencing public policy so that they could make more money

    There is a significant difference between the two ideas
     
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    LOL

    Remarkable that a thread is started with a gross misrepresentation right out of the gate.

    On purpose? Given the originator? LOL

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/23/mike-pompeo-no-deep-state-604199

    Excerpts: (Emphasis added)

    "I haven’t seen the comments from the president," Pompeo said during a hearing on Capitol Hill. "I don’t believe there’s a deep state at the State Department.”

    “You know, this term ‘deep state’ has been thrown around," he said. "I’ll say this, the employees that worked for me at the CIA nearly uniformly were aimed at achieving the president’s objectives and America’s objectives.”

    Pompeo was somewhat less emphatic in responding to a question about whether "deep state" anti-Trump forces were mobilized in the Justice Department, which has been the main target of Trump’s ire. But Pompeo said his experience at the CIA matched his interactions with the FBI and Justice Department, albeit with a caveat.

    “There are always exceptions to every rule. I’ve never led an organization that didn’t have bad actors,” he said. “I don’t think any government organization is exempt from having malfeasance as well.”
     
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    If the NYT did out that INFORMANT (who was NOT embedded in the campaign) they are despicable.

    I'll bet the NYT explained that he was in contact with two members of the Trump campaign because of their contacts with Russian government intel though...huh?
     
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    The "gross misrepresentation" is yours...but given your previous posts that is not surprising.

    Heck, you even undercut your own premise by quoting Pompeo
     
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    They came away with nothing but you point out the problem well. A govt led by one party spying on the opposition party.
     
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    Clappers "new" alibi, is that the IC "was conducting a counter intelligence investigation from INSIDE the campaign" ... that's an acknowledgment ... a disingenuous acknowledgment, but it's confirmation. Just like Flynns call to Kislyak was "inadvertantly" recorded, Clapper "inadvertantly" directed a CIA covert surveillance operation on US soil entirely focused on US citizens, not the Russian meddlers as he suggests. Veselnitskaya wasn't shadowed despite having violating her "special visas" permissions. Misfuds whereabouts are unknown. Semantics won't redeem Clapper.
     
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    So the Russians are the opposition party?

    Interesting that you think this
     
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    But.........the FBI did do Drumpf a service.

    As early as 2013, the F.B.I. had concerns about Paul Manafort and his deputy, Rick Gates, regarding their “offshore consulting activities.” The bureau also had long been interested in Carter Page, an obscure energy consultant whom it had first interviewed in 2013 in connection to his contacts with Victor Podobnyy, a Russian spy based in New York. Page’s chief distinction was his willingness to recite Kremlin talking points on foreign policy. Retired Gen. Mike Flynn, the future national security adviser, had his own financial ties to Russian companies and organizations that would stand to benefit from the lifting of U.S. sanctions on Russia. And then there's the hapless dupe, George P.

    The significant question is whether any competent counterintelligence officer would not have seen, in this constellation of facts, serious reason to believe that the Drumpf campaign was profoundly vulnerable to Russian manipulation. Thanks largely to the FBI none of these criminals hold positions in Drumpf's admin.
     
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    You need to link to that. I can't call it a lie because that would violate site rules but there's very little truth there.

    What DID happen was that the FBI as part of a counter intel investigation had an informant talk to two members of the Trump campaign BECAUSE of their contact with Russian intel.

    The informant was not "inside" the Trump campaign nor was he looking at the campaign itself
     
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    Comprehension is apparently a learned skill. Left classes early?

    Please explain the "less emphatic" comment, and Pompeo's comments about bad actors. I placed it in bold, and underlined it.
     
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    Alibi? Why would he need one? The Drumpf campaign gave the FBI cause for concern it was being infiltrated by Russian operatives. Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Page, all had previous dealings with Russia. Then the FBI found out Papa had been approached by an operative offering stolen DNC e-mails. The IC would need an alibi if they did nothing, not the reverse.
     
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    I believe Sen. Jeff Flake (my kind of Conservative, the kind I would gladly vote for) said, 'There are people that will say anything, people that will believe anything, and people that will print anything and this is where we are today.' Mike Pompeo is a smart, well informed member of Trump's team which means he won't last long. He has already debunked the "deep state" BS. Here's some more garbage that needs to be taken out: "Spy gate," "no collusion," "hoax," "fake news."

    All this propaganda is aimed at the gullible to convince them that the Mueller investigation is somehow corrupted. Trump will repeat the attack on American institutions and collectively brand them as "deep state." In short, Trump will gladly destroy the foundations of American democracy to save his own asz. What scares this buffoon is that the Mueller investigation is uncovering the massive Trump cabal and web of corrupt pals that will do anything for a buck, including selling out their country. The web of criminal activity grows daily, it is breathtaking.

    Anybody that buys the load of Trump BS and repeats it is complicit in the destruction of American democracy. They need to grow up and and accept one undeniable truth, Trump is about Trump. He is a TV star flim-flam man lusting for high TV rating and adoration from his uninformed fans. He has lowered the bar of decency and morality to ground level.
     
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    Full stop
     
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    You can call it whatever you like, and you can sift through Clappers weekend interviews on your own. When / how Comey (FBI) began using Halper is a question the OIG is examining. Clapper (CIA) "handling" of Halper is a felony, and Clapper's the guy trying to justify the covert surveillance. Semantics aren't working for Clapper, and they're not working for his sycophants either. The FBI isn't permitted to act as a CIA cut-out to subvert domestic surveillance laws.
     
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    The Drumpf campaign gave the FBI cause for concern it was being infiltrated by Russian operatives. Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Page, all had previous dealings with Russia. Then the FBI found out Papa had been approached by an operative offering stolen DNC e-mails. The IC would need an alibi if they did nothing, not the reverse.
     

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