Portuguese health worker, 41, dies two days after getting the Pfizer covid vaccine

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  1. Woogs

    Woogs Well-Known Member

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    Too early to say it caused her death, but this was an apparently healthy 41 year old. Will be interesting to see what the autopsy reveals.

    Should this one death, even at this stage, be cause for at least a pause in administering this vaccine?

    A Portuguese health worker has died two days after getting the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine.

    Sonia Acevedo, 41, suffered a ‘sudden death’ at home on New Year’s Day 48 hours after receiving the jab. An autopsy is expected to take place later today or tomorrow.

    Sonia Acevedo, 41, suffered a ‘sudden death’ on New Year’s Day just 48 hours after receiving the jab

    ‘She had the Covid-19 vaccine but she didn’t have any symptoms. I don’t know what happened. I just want answers.

    ‘I want to know what led to my daughter’s death.’

    Ms Acevedo’s employers confirmed the dead woman had been vaccinated against coronavirus on December 30 and said they had not been notified of any ‘undesirable effect’ when she was jabbed or in the hours afterwards.


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.so...s-after-getting-the-pfizer-covid-vaccine/amp/
     
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    Talk about double standards. Thread after thread about the COVID virus in this forum with deniers harping on about how there should be no correlation (cause and effect) drawn between the fact someone contracted the virus then died some time later after initially appearing to have recovered. Even though there are hundreds of thousands of such instances. Fake evidence they said, the death rates are vastly overstated etc etc etc.

    ONE case of someone dying a few weeks after receiving the vaccine and it's the vaccines fault?
     
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    It was 48 hours after.
     
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    Opps me bad, but that makes difference how?
     
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    The thread is about a healthy 41 year old health care worker dying within 2 days of getting the vaccine. It is completely different than your diatribe, besides the fact that you didn't even realize the time frame.
     
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    The time frame means nothing. The point still stands 1 incident and it 'has' to be linked to the vaccine' yet tens of thousands of delayed COVID deaths can't supposedly be linked to the virus. Can't have it both ways.

    Little story that proves the point.

    Once upon a time a Doctor was conducting a standard health examination of a infant and was about to give the baby a routine vaccination. He picks up the needle when the phone rings, he puts the needle down then turns around to answer the phone. He's only on the call for a few seconds, turns around again & picks up the needle ready to proceed. At which point baby immediately goes into convulsions. Turns out to be a well understood medical condition and the Doctor immediately delivered the appropriate treatment. The baby is fine afterwards.

    The point of that little narrative? If not for the phone call the Doctor in question would have delivered the vaccination just before the baby started convulsing. In other words the vaccination, even though it had absolutely nothing to do with the baby's condition would have (in some peoples minds - probably yours included) been labelled as the villain of the piece. Erroneously as it turns out.

    The end.
     
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    I can say for certain one death could be just a coincidence. Or not. What do i win?
     
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    Which, in the end means you can really say nothing at all. So thats what you win. Nothing.
     
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    Nice story.
     
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    Hell would freeze over before they would allow a public result claiming the vaccine caused her death, even if it was or may have been. However, by the measure of what constitutes a "covid-19 related death," hers inherently is a "vaccine related death."
     
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    RIP, Ms. Acevedo. There surely is a special place in heaven for people who work in pediatric oncology.

    It is suspicious based on what is being reported, but who knows at this point. I tend to distrust family accounts right after someone's death.
     
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    I tend to agree. There's way too much invested to put the brakes on these vaccines. But, if more deaths occur, people will notice.

    Next step, though, is to see what an autopsy shows and, more importantly, what is concluded from that.
     
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    And your point is what exactly?

    If. Add its a big IF the unfortunate woman's cause of death does turn out to be an adverse reaction to the vaccine (such occurrences are extremely rare but have been documented) of course it will automatically be linked to the COVID vaccine. That's what she was frigging given for crying out loud.

    What do you think the authorities are going to say;

    'Oh, that death, well yes it was vaccine related. Very unfortunate BTW but no, it definitely wasn't related the COVID vaccination she recently received. Not at all. Actually we think it might have been a 'delayed' reaction to that measles shot she got when she was 5 year sold.... !!!'
     
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    My point is that the powers-that-be continuously lie their asses off for their agenda. Remember Fauci, the Surgeon General, every expert, and every commentator on TV all explaining that regular people shouldn't wear masks because they'll keep touching them and thus more likely infect themselves - only to later explain the reason they said that is there was a shortage of masks and needed to assure the limited supply goes to medical care and other essential workers? Admitting they tactically lied?

    Liars are liars. Admitting a vaccine related death is 100% contrary to their agenda - whether or not you agree with that agenda. The agenda is to get people to take the vaccine. Nothing will stand in the way of that propaganda - whether for good or bad reasons.
     
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    Oh, man!

    In reality, there already have been MILLIONS of jabs!

    The fact is to found ONLY ONE death within two days?

    There are 1,380 COVID DEATHS Yesterday! In the USA!

    ONE DAY! Jan 3!

    If everyone got vaxxed, that would likely save 1,300+ in that SAME DAY!

    Why would we ever stop vaccinations to save ONE life to kill 1,300 lives to stop vaccinations?
     
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    So many ways to answer that. First off, it is one death with no cause attached to it yet, though the circumstances are curious.

    Secondly, this was the Pfizer vaccine. There are other vaccines so putting a pause on Pfizer, if that were to happen, would not stop vaccinations.

    Third, getting vaccinated is a voluntary action. People may choose not to be vaccinated if they wish.

    Right now, this is a new story. Let's see how it plays out without the histrionics.
     
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    Perhaps, but then the current administration's (about to end shortly) COVID policies have been pretty shambolic more or less from day one. You perhaps see duplicity & conspiracy in their pronouncements. I tend to see dysfunction, confusion and a general overlay of 'cluster f'.

    Never underestimate a bureaucracies ability to fail. Given a choice between conspiracy and 'stuff up' I'd pick stuff up every time.
     
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    I personally know a guy in his 70's and a woman in her 40's, both had Covid.

    Both tested positive

    He felt strange for 2 days and then was better

    She, a fitness nut,and was in bed much like with the flu, for a week. She was then tired for another week.

    What needs to be done is research on what it is in Covid that triggers little or mild symptoms in some, and bad symptoms in others. Since this is a corona virus, it will be with us for quite some time and we need to learn to live with it, unmasked, un-distanced and the economy fully open

    The same holds true for the vaccine. What is it about some folks who have adverse reactions
     
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    I'm still not convinced that the Pfizer vaccine should be used regardless of this event. The vaccine injection in the trials would have been conducted in ideal conditions and stored at -70C right up to the time just before injecting. In real life, the vaccine would have been left in warm conditions for some time while queues of people are waiting in turn for their dose and taken in and out of fridges regularly once out of -70c conditions. Could this warming not only effect the efficacy of the vaccine but also create other unknown side effects due to the vaccine ingredients degrading.
     
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    No, the program should not be paused. There is $ to be made and an agenda to be advanced. Onward Christian Soldiers!!!
     
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    that's a good point and hopefully the place where she was injected practices a thorough chain-of-custody. I know that here in FL and most of the USA it is mandated.
     
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    The recommendation is that it should be injected within 2 hours out of the fridge after spending 2-3 hours in fridge thawing. It also has to be diluted with normal saline after thawed but before injection.

    I personally am aiming toward the Oxford vaccine if and when it becomes widely available. It is viable for 6 months in normal fridge temps.
     
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    The mRNA doesn't immediately degrade when taken out of the -70 oC freezer. In fact, it can be kept in a regular refrigerator for 5 days after it is thawed:

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health...accine-need-to-be-kept-colder-than-antarctica

    If the mRNA would actually immediately degrade after being thawed, it would be useless, because it has to survive body temperature of 37 oC for at least several hours after injection to be able to produce the antigen.

    As to degradation products: mRNA degradation is nothing more but hydrolysis, i.e. splitting of the phosphoester bond by water. It creates smaller RNA pieces, and eventually single nucleotides. Once it is missing the start codon, it will not be translated into gene products. The nucleotides are intrinsic components of our cells, as are small RNA fragments, because ANY mRNA, even the ones coding for our own proteins, degrade. Second, the degradation of the vaccine mRNA occurs anyway, whether in the vial before injection, or in our body after injection. Therefore, this is not something to worry about.

    Me, I'd not hesitate for a second if I was offered to get the Pfizer vaccine.
     
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