'Possible irregularities' in absentee ballots holding up congressional election result in North Car

“The Republicans don’t win and that’s because of potentially illegal votes!
When people get in line that have absolutely no right to vote and they go around in circles.
Sometimes they go to their car, put on a different hat,
put on a different shirt, come in and vote again!"
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Trump's crackpot explanation of how voter fraud works bears little resemblance to the actual case of voters being defrauded in North Carolina.

 

Why in every thread about the wrong doings of a party they simply point to the other party and ignore the blatant fraud of their own. There isn’t currently any evidence that Democrats destroyed ballots in CA, there is evidence that Republicans gerrymandered NC, failed to act on court decisions until it was “too late” to do anything, and then destroyed ballots anyway.

Interfering with an election should be classified as treason, and that includes the people making these absurd partisan district maps to corral power. It shouldn’t matter if there is an R or a D beside their name.

 

Ah, but that's how you can tell that the Democrats are completely corrupt - an absence of evidence of their corruption - they are so skilled at corruption and covering up afterwards.

The Republicans OTOH are fundamentally honest, as all the evidence of their wrongdoing testifies. If they were as corrupt as the Democrats there would be no evidence.....

....or something like that

 

Would you agree that in order for fraud to be confirmed, there would have to be a desire to investigate it?

What agency in California would be willing to do that? Every agency is headed by a liberal/progressive ideologue.

In the case of the last minute, late night insertion of the "ballot harvesting" language Progressives put into a bill at the end of the legislative session in 2016, they eliminated the chain of custody aspect of ballots.

If evidence in the legal case was handled the same way, it would be thrown out.

 

Not if the handling of evidence in that legal case was done in accordance with the law of that particular jurisdiction.

 

I will take it as a given you are familiar the concepts of chain of custody, etc., when it comes to evidence.

Perhaps you could explain why the chain of custody is not in danger via ballot harvesting. Further, perhaps you can explain why other states have toughened laws in attempts to eliminate such a practice.

 

First off, I think we need to go ahead and point out the flaws of the analogy associated with linking the "chain of custody" argument from voting to the court rooms. In the later, evidence being delivered to the courtroom can play a critical role in the verdict for millions of dollars or even the forfeiture of someone's freedom or life. In the former, the process results in one ballot being delivered and a vote being cast which - in the best of circumstances - might result in a politician being elected to office or an amendment being passed. In the courtroom, one piece of evidence can - by itself - be dispositive. In the election, one vote is never sufficient to accomplish anything. In short, there are reasons why "chain of custody" is fundamental to the rules of evidence and not so fundamental to the delivering of a ballot.

But to your question, you are more familiar with the laws of California, so you will need to explain what processes are built in place to minimize the risk associated with chain of custody. My understanding is that the individual who returns the ballot must be designated by the voter (who must also sign their ballot before giving the ballot to the person that will deliver the ballot). Presumably, the person who drops off the ballot must prove that they are the individual that was properly designated by the voter, but I do not know. Perhaps the ballot must be placed in a sealed envelope and the outside must be signed? But again, I do not know.

Other states are more restrictive in a whole host of ways when it comes to voting rights. Very often, those limitations are put in place because of allegations of fraud. In truth, the limitations (and the expansion of the voting rights) are generally associated with trying to maintain a political advantage for the party who set the rules and very often, the party who places those limitations are Republicans. Whereas the party that expands voting rights are often Democrats.

But as it relates specifically to "ballot harvesting," most states permit the practice but limit the type of individuals who can return the ballots to relatives or those living in the same household. So the "chain of custody" argument still theoretically exists in those situations as well. California just altered the rule to permit anyone (who has been designated by the voter) to deliver their ballot.

 

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1921

Note what was changed.



So, is there a requirement to sign anything? That's left up to "election officials" in the precincts.

Is there any receipt given to the voter? Any record kept? Any person? Could that person "misplace" votes?

After Harvesting votes in certain precincts where voter registration numbers are known, could the harvesters go to precincts that don't favor their cause, and gee, kinda sorta lose track of the votes they "picked"?

 

In order of your questions:

No idea.
No idea.
No idea.
Sure, but they are collecting votes from people who are unable to deliver their votes anyways.
No.

 

Gee, what a shocking response.

I'll remember this next time you attempt to dodge the question by asking for details that you have no apparent intention to discuss.

 

I said that you would know California law better given that you live in California and I live in Georgia. You responded by posting the statute, saying that one requirement was up to the elected official, and then asking a bunch of questions about which I do not know the answer because I don't know California law.

 

You posted this:

My understanding is that the individual who returns the ballot must be designated by the voter (who must also sign their ballot before giving the ballot to the person that will deliver the ballot). Presumably, the person who drops off the ballot must prove that they are the individual that was properly designated by the voter, but I do not know. Perhaps the ballot must be placed in a sealed envelope and the outside must be signed? But again, I do not know.
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To address the points you asked about, I provided the actual legislation, including the markups and line outs.

Your response proved it wasn't worth the effort.

 

“The Republicans don’t win and that’s because of potentially illegal votes!
When people get in line that have absolutely no right to vote and they go around in circles.
Sometimes they go to their car, put on a different hat,
put on a different shirt, come in and vote again!"
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Whilst Trump may have his theory of how 3-5 million stealthy, nefarious hombres all managed to cast ballots against him and vanish without a trace, voters being defrauded by politicians in North Carolina is a healthy dose of reality for those capable of handling it.

Of course, some hyper-partisan pifflewits will even pursue their desperate diversions into fake claims of voter fraud where no such accusations have been filed, even by losing candidates with a compelling motive to promote any credible hint of irregularities.

The Republican who benefited from defrauding voters in North Carolina has not become hysterical and brayed "Witch Hunt!" over 130 times concerning the ongoing investigation ... yet.

 

Major update. One of the individuals accused has flipped on the alleged ring leader.

GOP Campaign Worker in NC Admits to Filling in Republican Votes on Absentee Ballots, Claims She Was Told to Lie

 

Here is the link to the original testimony.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...entee-ballots-says-she-was-later-told-to-lie/

Given that testimony and the evidence of the tampered ballots there is no longer any question that this was an attempt by the GOP to steal an election that rightfully belonged to the Dem candidate.

 

Thanks, trying to share the native link through the reddit mobile app is a pain.

 

“The Republicans don’t win and that’s because of potentially illegal votes!
When people get in line that have absolutely no right to vote and they go around in circles.
Sometimes they go to their car, put on a different hat,
put on a different shirt, come in and vote again!"
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As charming as the fairy tale 500 Hats of Bartholomew Cubbins version of voter fraud may be, Trumpery again offers a stark contrast with reality.

 

There are no possible irregularties??What there is are proven facts that the GOP tried to fix the election and steal a congressional seat.THEY paid Dowless over $130,000 to attempt to FIX the election.The GOP political machine in North Carolina is CORRUPT top to bottom!!!

 

And now that there is direct proof that Republicans committed voter fraud in North Carolina, Mitch McConnell has decided to step up...

By Blaming Democrats.

 

The Dems need to run a serious challenger against him in 2020 and throw him out of office.