Post fond memories of the USA before Obama ruined it with his stupid face

The Great Lakes were not burning (nor any rivers) in 1977, when the worst of the regulations (40 CFR 52.21) was promulgated.

Why didn't the promulgation of regulations end when the original problems were solved?

 

We were in Afghanistan too.

 

Yeah, instead it was the libs. Remember the "Bush is Hitler" era? Probably not. Because part of being a liberal is forgetting what happened five minutes ago when you were the angry ones. Such selective memories.

 

Yes but they had been - hence the legislation

http://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/63#.UZuPASuc4Xg

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Pot meet kettle

 

I know you are, but what am I?

 

I remember Bush's speech after 911, thanking most of its allies who called him to say they stand with the US. It was a good speech.. and then he forgot to mention Canada which allowed hundreds of airplanes to land in our country (some that could have also been hijacked but we risked it anyway) and taking in thousands of stranded Americans into our homes. And school gyms. And what does Bush say a few days later? He didn't think he needed to thank us because we are "close". (*)(*)(*)(*) the US.

 

Years after it was known that the hijackers came into the US from Europe American politicians still say the hijackers came into the US from Canada. Good times.

Canada was also blamed and still blamed for the 2003 eastern north american blackout despite it beginning in Ohio.

Yeah those are some nice memories eh? Screw the US.

 

lol......

 

When you address a problem and fix it. You don't drop all the things that fixed the problem. Reason, you don't want the problem to come back. Not rocket science.

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We went there 1st? As our primary objective?

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oooh oooooh ooooooooh, 3?

 

Its not good for my race.

More Mexicans = More gangs which = more crime and more poverty. Oh and its sad. To go from Aryan women with Aryan children playing to nothing but Mexicans is a travesty.

 

More white republicans like Mitt Romney, more factory closings, more jobs shipped overseas, more crime and more poverty.

Oh wait, George Romney is a Mexican so you're half right.

 

True.

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America = white people.

 

You're liar.

http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/20/ob...icials-received-hefty-bonuses-from-big-banks/

 

You're a bigger liar. Or very naive.

White republicans vulture capitalists like Mitt Romney close factories, ship jobs overseas which causes unemployment, more crime and more poverty.

 

LOL, whatever you say.

 

I'm not a leftist and certainly not a rightist. I'm also not keeper of sides, merely because I feel the need to belong to a gang of political philosophers, or because I cling to ideology that is broken, antiquated and useless. I am apolitical and seek the truth in all things related to humanity. We have enough gangs and mypoic thinking in the world, I don't want to add to that losing recipe.

The absolute truth is that gas prices were going up under Bush 43 and would have continued to go exactly where they are today, if Bush 43 could have legally served a 3rd and 4th term in office. There would be no difference at all today and that's because we are too darn dependent on OPEC. And, the reason we are too dependent on OPEC, is because we refuse to invest in New Energy Technology and the barrier to entry is cost prohibitive for many new, young start-ups. So, the oil industry has the billions to invest but takes minor steps when it could be making major leaps in the R&D of new energy technologies.

That change in our thinking would be far more than enough to give us a net/net jobs surplus the likes of which we have never seen before in this country. There would be so many jobs that we'd be begging people to come on some kind of visa to work here, because every single U.S. Citizen who wanted a job would have one in the new energy tech economy, given its very wide and diverse offerings.

This was part of Candidate Obama's original plan, before being hit with the 2008 economic implosion which set everything on hold and altered the course of his presidency.

We will spend over $4 Trillion on both Iraq and Afghanistan when all the accounting is said and done. Had we spent 25% of that on breaking through the initial R&D barriers to the development of new energy technologies, we would have record low unemployment by now and an economy bursting at the seams.

Obama, did not create that problem and Obamacare did not make it worse. We blew $4 Trillion on illegal and unjust wars, to make a few oil barons around the world fat and happy - not because Saddam, was a serious WMD threat and not because we knew would could defeat the philosophy of Al Qaeda - and darn sure not because 19 terrorists flew Boeings into buildings - that entire notion was a cruel joke.

Welcome to Corporatocracy at work. The New World Order is nothing new. It is the same old story. Dominate natural resources for the minority elite and make darn sure The People never wake up and figure it out by keeping them economic slaves. That's the current "order" of things.

If you think the left or the right establishments gives one hoot about you, sad will be your days and frustration your life long partner. The People need a new way forward. Jefferson, instructed us on what we should do. It us up to us to determine when and how we go about doing it.

It is not revolution. It is Personal Responsibility for managing our affairs for the common good of all. We own this country - not them. But, we do not know who "we" are as American Citizens and thus we do not exercise our power, either natural or constitutional.

 

Then there's this little nugget.

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Let's not be so naive as to project future war costs on the current economic production. People underestimate just how much wasted spending the government does. We have a debt-GDP of 100% and Americans rake in 17 trilllion in GDP(Gross Domestic Product).

If you told the Founders our production would one day reach 17 trillion, they'd assume we're the world supreme power, not a country teetering on the brink of mediocrity.

 

Unfortunately, drill-baby-drill is not the answer. We need a new economy. What people don't seem to understand is that our old economy is gone - dead. But, no one is telling you the truth about that fact. Not the media and certainly not the government. We did quite well for decades on fossil fuels. We helped to win two world wars, established the middle class, built a higher education foundation, laid down a national transportation infrastructure, established entire industries, built the biggest military on the planet and lead the way in many important areas in the world. But, that was because we manufactured things in this country and we supplied the parts and components. Today, we have a fraction of that same type of production.

We've spent 30++ years downsizing American industry. That depleted the middle class. You cannot have a vital economy without an equally vital middle class circulation of its currency throughout the country. Kill the middle class and you kill the economy, except for the minority wealth elite - they are going to make money regardless. This expands poverty and increases the burden on government to provide stabilization nationally. That's no way to live and we cannot continue down that path.

Fossil fuels pollute - period. Global warming is real - period. Either we face these realities and stop trying to kid ourselves that we can continue dumping toxic waste into our atmosphere and live to tell it about, or we will shorten the life of all flesh on this earth prematurely. We can do better. Government can work with the private sector to install a new economic engine based on the development and exportation of new energy technologies of various kinds. We can lead in this area whereas other nations might not have the ability to invest in a full blown strategy. And, we should lead - the rest of the world will follow. New energy technology can release the vast majority of fossil fuel driven elements within our economy and transform not just our collective bottom line, but the way in which we relate to each other throughout our country.

I trade currencies exclusively now.

In a new kind of economic model where new energy technologies are being developed, patented and sold abroad, we don't have a funding problem at all! We will have to regulate the new industries but that's a matter of being conscious and wise about using targeted regulation. Deregulation has brought us problems in other industries, so we need to learn from those lessons and use targeting regulation - smart regulation, not just ways to generate slush revenues for the government.

We also lose the pollution problems that are associated with fossil fuels and begin to make real headway on global warming, as we also develop new ways to properly deal with population growth. Transforming our economy this way provides us with unlimited options, unparallelled growth potential and the ability to turn current adversarial nations into real trading partners.

New energy solves problems while old fossils continue the status quo. This is well within our capacity and we should make it happen right now.

 

That kind of welfare was higher because the previous administration had an economic melt down that put more people out of work. That work stoppage due to a loss of jobs continued to plow straight through the first few years of the Obama administration. So, of course, welfare spending would and should be hire over the past few years until people get back to work. There's nothing strange or bizarre about that math. The implosion began long before Obama took office. The problems were created long before Obama took office. You can't stop a $13 Trillion economy on a dime, merely because a new President walks into the White House, especially when you were losing jobs already and seeing record foreclosures already. In addition, it was always going to take time before you saw any remedy applied begin to work.

The point is that no matter who you had in office in 2008, our economic engine was going to stall because our current economic model is dead. It is not dying, it is dead. We've been propped up by China, Germany and Japan, for so long that we will never be able to repay them at this rate. We will default. But, nobody is making this crystal clear to the people. We are on course for default - period. We barrow too much, save too little, manufacture even less and we are not producing new industry growth.

Welfare spending increased under nearly every president since the Great Depression. So, has Corporate Welfare spending. We spent $1.2 Trillion on Corporate Welfare from 2000 to 2012. If we are going to get serious about cutting spending, then we need to also do something about federal contract spending as well.

We need a new economic model based on new energy technology development and foreign sales and we've got to stop playing politics with our economic future. The old model is dead and we are virtually bankrupt as a nation. That is not as a result of what Obama did, or did not do. That is a direct result of spending the past 30++ years downsizing and offshoreing our economy to the lowest bidder, killing off our Middle Class incomes and severely truncating our manufacturing output across the board.

We solve this problem by building a new economic engine based on a new model for the future: New Energy Technologies. That's our golden ticket out of this mess and it secures a real future for our children and their children's children.

We can do this, but it is going to take educating people on WHY this is absolutely necessary to the survival of our Republic. Our economic model must be able to sustain a strong middle class type of income. Right now that is definitely not the case. The poor echelons are growing and they have been for decades.

 

.27 cents per gallon under Truman.

Reagan sucked big time, didn't he?

 

Ah yes, gingham-clad wifey with her 2.4 apple-cheeked children clinging to her skirts, standing in the white-painted porch, Tide-white curtains billowing in the balmy spring breeze, waving Irving off to work in his Buick (two payments late), where he is having a sordid affair with Doreen (in accounts), whilst wifey hits the gin bottle before calling AA to check the date of the next meeting. She notices a peculiarly acrid, smoky, aroma emanating from Chip's bedroom who has missed three day's school this week alone...
Ah yes, those trouble-free, rose-tinted Golden Years of conservative fantasy.

 

You're right, we should, but with Big Oil having vested interests only in short-term profitability for the CEO and shareholder, any serious research into alternatives has a huge hill to climb, and any green 'credentials' touted by them are little more than token gestures and are oxymoronic in the same way that 'ethical banking' is.

 

Taxcutter says:
Yeah. Eight years earlier. State regulations ended the Cuyahoga river fires. National regulations were not needed.
To show the ignorance of this post, anyone familiar with regulations knows that 40 CFR 52.21 does not deal with water issues.

Nice slogan, sport.

 

Why had state legislation failed to resolve the issue for nearly a 100 years?