Power and liberalism corrupt; absolute power and absolute liberalism corrupt absolutely.

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  1. james M

    james M Banned

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    Don’t be absolutely preposterous and liberal. The president can send Dennis Rodman to North Korea if he wants to. Constitution does not say he must send Secretary of State. Oh my God!
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Is that a letter? Are you quoting a letter?

    Letters are not the law of the land. The Constitution is. And you have been unable to provide a quote from the Constitution that indicates what size the government is allowed to be. Thanks for (not even) trying...
     
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    Constitution say it our govt is to be only the size necessary to exercise the enumerated powers. Are you still confused?
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Are you aware that Jefferson was on the liberal side of things? In the beginning of the United States the two parties were the Federalist that included people like Hamilton, Adams, and Jay and was the more conservative party - believing the rich and well born should rule. The more liberal party was the Democratic Republicans better known as the Jeffersonians and included Jefferson, Madison, and Franklin.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Except that in your deluded state you are kind of goofy, if not completely wrong. Liberals move things forwards, conservatives drag things backwards. Take a look at the biographies of all the great innovators, people like Albert Einstein, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Elon Musk all tend to lean liberal. Before liberalism there was no freedom. Just kings and priests telling everyone else what to do and what to think.
     
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    Today conservatism means for tiny govt thus the 18th Century Republican Party of Jefferson and Madison is identical in name and philosophy to today's modern Republican Party. Make sense?
     
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    so is that how liberals or conservatives define it??? Isn't thinking fun??
     
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    exactly, and this is why conservatives like Jefferson and Reagan stood for very very limited govt and individual liberty instead. Our liberals spied for Stalin because they want a return to huge central govt or to Obamacare. Do you understand now?
     
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    Lol, our founders were radical liberals.
     
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    yes radical liberals for tiny tiny govt and individual liberty exactly like modern Republicans
     
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    Lol, Obama didn’t have any communist parents. He was a slightly right of center corporatist.
     
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    Lol, why do you post such stupid ****, you know isn’t true?
     
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    he had 3 communist parent,voted to left of Bernie Sanders, was mentored by Frank Davis(a open communist), and pushed country as far toward communism as the democratic opposition would allow. 1+1=2
     
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    Lol, Obama didn’t have any communist parents. He was a slightly right of center corporatist.

    Why do you post such silly bullshit you know isn’t true?
     
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    of course if it was not true you would not have been so afraid to say why. What does the liberal learn from his fear?
     
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    what was his father??? I wonder why you forgot to tell us??


    Obama Hid His Father's Socialism From Readers | Mises Wire
    https://mises.org/wire/obama-hid-his-fathers-socialism-readers
    Apr 7, 2008 - On page 182 of their book they describe how Barack Obama's father, a Harvard trained economist, attacked the economic proposals of pro-Western 'third way" leader Tom Mboya from thesocialist left, siding with communist-allied leader Oginga Odinga, in a paper Barack Obama's fatherworte for the East ...
     
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    Nope! That is exactly the answer I was looking for! The government should be the size it needs to exercise its constitutional functions. Not big, not small, just... the right size. Exactly the Liberal position.
     
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    actually the liberal position is always bigger govt. Did you ever hear of Obamacare for example?? Conservative position it should be size needed to exercise only the enumerated powers given to it in the Constitution. Now do you understand why liberals want a living communist constitution? Govt is never big enough for a liberal and now they are into Sanders, an open commie, to really accelerate govt. Got it now?
     
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    You bet! I even know somebody who wouldn't be alive if it weren't for it. Obamacare was necessary and proper to keep her alive.
     
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    Yes well, lefties aren't liberals. You see, liberals believe in freedom of speech and natural rights. Lefties believe in the exact opposite.
     
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    You need to answer my question first. Why do you post **** you know isn’t true?
     
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    Right. As I said, he didn’t have any Communist parents. Your problem is you have no ****ing idea what you are talking about in any subject you try to engage in here.
     
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    So, even by your definition I am a liberal. However I highly suspect that the "lefties" conservatives so hate don't really exist. Just part of the conservative doctrine.
     
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    Just a thought here but you really don't appear to be who you portray yourself to be. Your behavior seems to be a bit too stereotypical. If I were pretending, as in a parady, to be be an obnoxious conservative loon, your persona is what I would use. However real conservatives seem to be quite a bit less silly than you.
     
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    A personal attack is an obvious Dodge when you lack the IQ to say something substantive against the conservative libertarian philosophy. Why not take the opportunity to learn and try to say something in Defense of liberalism. Did it ever occur to you that having a feeling is not sufficient he must have thoughts too.
     

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