Premise: Commuting is bad public policy. We need to discourage it.

http://gunsforeveryone.org/Assets/FCC.pdf

 

A big part of the reason they're filthy are the people riding in it !

Let's face it, the type of population riding in public transportation is much different in countries like Japan and Germany than it is in the US.
(Although things are rapidly changing in Germany, and not so surprisingly many Germans are becoming more reluctant to take public transportation)


Don't use the excuse of "it's too expensive", because in America it's mostly the poor who use public transportation.

 

You are obviously biased against 'certain' people and you stereotype carelessly.

The vehicles are filthy because they are run down, not maintained, and not cleaned periodically...all caused by poor management. NOT by 'the people riding in it'!

Again, your use of 'the type of population riding in public transportation' is careless, stereotyping, and biased.

Where I live it's far too expensive.

Again, your use of 'it's mostly the poor who use public...' is careless, disrespectful, stereotyping, biased, and ignorant.
https://www.apta.com/wp-content/upl...APTA-Who-Rides-Public-Transportation-2017.pdf

 

Maybe where you live, but not in Broward County where riders commonly use the back of the bus's as a bathroom, though smoking is not allowed, it is common to see riders smoking Pot, eating on the bus is very common and the trash gets left behind, as do dirty diapers, and vomit from the homeless, who get free pass's not to go anywhere, but just to ride and have an air conditioned place to sleep.

 

The same thing is happening in Germany. American visitors to Germany used to remark how clean everything was in public places (compared to the big cities where they came from). No longer. Now there is a trash piling up in the parks, and there are more people roaming around who have very little concept of "civic duty" and can't fathom why they should have to pick up after themselves.

There is a huge huge gulf of cultural differences between different parts of the world, and when you move populations across the world, in many ways they take their culture with them. Anyone who thinks these differences "couldn't be that big" has never been to India and seen people's attitudes there. They treat public spaces as their trash can and toilet, having no consideration for the wider society.

 

We see the buses, but are extremely fortunate to not have to ride them. We rode Virgin Rail in January, two ways, FL to MIA. It was mostly great.

I lived in the Chicago area. I can imagine what you describe, although an mid-late 1980s version. I won't send our "almost but not quite yet a loser," boy to the bus in Broward. I wish we could. It would make our lives livable. Where we live, though, even a hotel can't make it, unless it's a 4-hour notellmotell.

 

Like I said..all caused by poor management...and yes 'some' and 'few' people do these things but don't stereotype that certain groups are like this...

 

Then why are parks and public spaces in Germany getting dirtier? Is it "poor management" ?

Sometimes statistical trends within groups can have consequences.
If you take a hundred planks of wood to build structural supports for bridge, and ten of them are completely rotten on the inside, versus one, that bridge has a good chance of having some serious problems and may collapse. Only one or two, and it will most likely be okay.

People in general are not going to want to take public transportation if they've had the experience of being accosted, or seen it happening to someone else and don't feel safe.

People don't know what it's like unless they've actually had to take public transportation in these areas. The seats of the bus have a faint stench that pervades the fabric. And it's from the type of people who ride the bus, not a lack of cleaning. I was there when a woman passenger's mobile phone disappeared, the driver suggested that he call her number, and they heard a ring coming out of a migrant woman's pocket sitting in the very back. The migrant woman shrugged and handed the phone back, immediately hopping off the bus, since it was stopped and the doors were open.

 

Why do you ask such questions? Of course it's poor management! Who else has the responsibility to maintain parks and inner-cities, etc.?

All that you mention is poor management!!!

 

People like you are of the mentality that government can solve any problems that arise, therefore there does not need to be much concern about these problems.

In this example, you are basically blaming government, although I doubt the park management practices have changed in any significant way over the years.

 

You need to study problem solving then you will understand. You have basically two choices here; one is you can improve management and maintenance, or, two you can do a lobotomy on tens of millions of Americans then retrain them to be perfect humans...let me know how it turns out...

 

Telecommuting has already changed small town America. Small rural towns are exploding with urbanites working from home

 

The key is in driverless cars. Make them safer (or at least seem safer) than driveable cars. Then tax the F out of human drivers to encourage they switch (we can call it a 'Hazard tax' or something since they're being less safe). Once theres only a few drivers left, ban driveable cars (except for collectors, they can get an expensive permit) and then wirelessly limit where, when, how far and how often people can ride in their driverless cars. Then we can just make people respect the environment with traffic algorythms.

Easy peasy.

 

Great idea, but first we will have to take all these decisions completely out of the hands of the folks who need votes to keep their jobs. Its those pesky voters that will be our real roadblock.

 

I see what you did there

We don't have to take the decision away from them, we just have to make sure they vote how we want instead of how their constituents want. Once we get the ball rolling on taxing drivers out of their driveable cars, theres going to be a lot of money in making driverless cars. We just need some of that money as collateral for strategic campaign donations. Maybe get a few regulations relaxed here and there for a good faith investment with the right allies. Everything has a price and the folks with the most money got it by looking out for lucrative opportunities. Hell, the government is gonna need a lot of driverless cars to. Im sure someone is gonna want that contract. You know what they say- you gotta spend money to make money.