President Obama is Dividing Us

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  1. Citizendave

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    Hello,

    I go through periods of studying conservatives, and it looks like I'm getting back into that mode.

    About 5 years ago I listened to many hours of conservative talk radio and uploaded clips to youtube. I came to learn the rhetorical patterns that the big dogs (Hannity, Levin, Savage) use to stifle and deflect callers. I also got into researching the 'facts."

    I established contact with a local St. Louis conservative talk show host, who, in an unguarded moment admitted to me in writing that the shows use some fake callers. Rick Santorum mentioned "setting up callers" in a clip I got off of the TV. I guess the big joke was on me because I actually thought I had a story. The local liberal tabloid was entirely uninterested in publishing what I had "discovered."

    The object of the project was to contact the companies which support conservative talk radio and to ask them to consider whether or not they really understood what they were supporting. We may have gotten one comapany to pull it's advertising, but I will never know.

    Anyway, I'm looking forward to 4 years of Trump, unless he's impeached, or resigns under threat of impeachment, and I hope he can heal the gaping wounds that Obama has inflicted upon the country.

    I thank this website for existing and it seems that there is a lively and energetic group of Master Debaters. I like to think I am one.
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  2. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Welcome.

    Fakery seems to be more the realm of the liberals in the MSM. They are more slick and polished than Jerry Springer, but they are hardly any less honest when it comes to political matters.

    If you research who is doing the production, editing and writing the news in these outlets, you can see there are NO conservative Christians to be found.
     
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    Welcome to the forum. I too hope the gaping wounds of Obama's division will be patched. However, that would involve the left wing taking a deep breath and not assuming everyone is racist or sexist.
     
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    I think this belongs more under humor and satire.
    You divulge that right wing radio is faked, then you pivot and blame Obama for dividing the country?
    Okay....

    I hope some of the current Trump supporters brains get preserved, so future researchers can determine what afflicted the logic of people who fall for such an obvious con man. Some are just pure GOP hacks who support any R, but there are those who actually slurp up the swill of lies. Amazing.
     
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    Ah yes, a liberal extremist talking about how much he hates the other side of the spectrum. Whoda Thunk It.
     
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    Wake up and see what is happening. The liberals are not even giving him a chance. They are determined to block everything that he wants to do. This is the first election that i can remember where the losers acted like this.
     
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    The liberals are in full temper tantrum mode.
     
  8. Citizendave

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    Greataxe, thank you for welcoming me. The more I see of this site, the more I like it.

    Do you know of a media source that does a better job than the MSM of telling the truth? If you do, has this source ever gotten a story wrong?

    You sir are one heck of a researcher! By all means post your findings. I guess these big media companies have a way of screening these people out? Like they write "CC" in the upper right hand corner of the application?

    ArmySoldier, nice of you to welcome me also.

    Your right, ArmySoldier, people like me really should settle down regarding such issues. But while I was researching this post, I came across a comment written by someone calling themselves Jonathan Lee on youtube. Here's what he commented on a video (n-word redacted by me, he spelled it out):

    Now, lets set aside the "false flag" argument because obviously a liberal trying to make conservatives look bad could have typed that up and posted it. I clicked on "his" profile, and there's no content at all in this person's profile. But I'm just curious, ArmySoldier, what would your assumption be about whether or not "Jonathan Lee," assuming that he wrote sincerly, is a racist? And since you feel so comfortable saying what liberals should and should not assume, why don't you tell me what I should think about such a person? I mean really, in all candor, I do admit, he does not write out the words, "I am a racist."

    Quick story:
    Many years ago I worked at an insurance company. I was assigned, with a co-worker, a special project that involved going over historical documents of the company. I read over the report of a meeting which took place in the 1920's. A decision was reached not to sell life insurance policies to black families.

    What were the ramifications of that? Let's say the decision had been otherwise. In the next few years, the company sells 10,000 policies on parents who are bread winners in black families. Lets say, over the next 20 years, 50 of them died, and there is a payout. That's wealth, education, property, the seed money to open a business, that those 50 black families never got. Instead, what happened? Those 50 families lost their breadwinner, and they likely had reduced opportunity to accrue wealth.

    Ah, but I'm just a liberal, and like all liberals, according to you, I should speak less of racism. Forgive me, ArmySoldier. Brush me aside. My points are at the margins.

    I would temper that. We are in "temper mode," and if it is revealed by any of the investigations that Trump colluded with the Russians, then we will switch to "full temper mode."

    Hello VietVet,

    My thread title was a joke. Lately I find myself remembering things conservatives have said about Obama and I have to chuckle. Remember when gas was $4.00 per gallon? They said it was Obama's fault, and the price will never go back down. Here is a gem from Michael Savage - in 2012 - that Obama is actually a clever Marxist seeking to destroy the American economy.


    He was not a good Marxist, and did not suckaseed.

    Hello Mac1,

    You did not welcome me to this site, but I welcome you to my welcome thread.

    True, do you blame liberals for this? Trump has made, to my view, almost no effort to soften his presentation. He went to a few black churches, but, generally speaking, he riled up his supporters by saying outrageous things and never apologizing. Trump is responsible for his success or failure. Surely you don't believe that he can be stopped by a bunch of weak snowflakes?

    I have wondered though, would I continue to despise him if he suddenly began acting in a conciliatory manner? God forbid he should make some big statesmanlike gesture! What if he announced to Mitch McConnell that he did not want the nuclear option implemented with Gorsuch? What if he told MM, "If Gorsuch doesn't get 60 votes, I don't want the rules in the Senate to be changed, I will instead nominate someone else." Considering the depths of my disgust with Trump, emotionally, if Trump were to make a big positive gesture like that, it would be very disorienting.

    Mac1, That is an astonishing statement. Read the quotes below? Just as the Republicans were about to take the majority in the house in 2010 (but not the Senate), the two most important Republican men in congress said:

     
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    You got me.
    There are some rabid folks here who would start with a title like that and mean it - the more absurd, it seems, the better.

    I think the so-called president has given the lunatic fringe a new voice as they see him as one of them - he isn't, it's just a con for him - a way to make a ton of money - but that goes over their heads.

    Welcome.
    We'll get along fine.
     
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    Wiki News is said to be among the better neutral sources. I personally like more obscure sources. Bill Still on You Tube almost perfectly predicted the outcome of Trump's victory state by state:



    As for your beloved MSM:

    MSNBC is ran by Phil Griffin (lean forward leftist)
    http://variety.com/2014/voices/opinion/msnbc-liberal-makeover-lineup-1201307120/

    Richard Wolffe chief news editor is a glowing fan of Obama and wrote a book about him
    http://observer.com/2012/10/nbc-news-announces-executive-editors/

    Other producers include Quiana Burns and Amy Shuster.
    https://www.linkedin.com/title/producer-at-msnbc

    At CNN there is flaming liberal Jeff Zucker running it---hardly one to be teaching a Baptist Sunday School.

    Christian Ginn is one of many anti-Christian liberal producers and editors
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/christinaginn/

    Please name ONE conservative Christian with an important news control function in your beloved MSM---and please state why you support hiring prejudice.
     
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    Are you moving the goal posts on me? You wrote that there were "NO conservative Christians" doing "production, editing and writing the news." I asked you how you know this. Now you ask me to:

    And this is a real head scratcher -

    I said nothing in support of hiring prejudice. I just wondered how the MSM would screen out such people who apply for jobs in the MSM "production, editing and writing the news." If they were doing that, they would risk a lawsuit and public outcry if they were doing that. Churches can discriminate in hiring, businesses are held to applicable laws.

    Are you familiar with Harris Faulkner, Fox commentator on the Fox show "Outnumbered?" I don't know whether or not you consider FOX news to be part of the MSM. Anyway, she appears to me to be a conservative Christian, at least the title of her book indicates that, and she at one point in her career worked for ABC affiliate KSTP. She is also described in the article as a correspondent with A Current Affair, so that implies she was a writer.

    You asked me to name one conservative Christian in the MSM, and I did some research on the news anchors I used to watch during the days I lived in Kansas City. I had to hold my nose to watch the local news, because it was so blatantly conservative. Ironically, the local FOX affiliate was less conservative, in my view, than the other local news shows. There was an anchor named Larry Moore who reeked of the 1950's and who I despised. Another famous anchor named Anne Peterson with the same creepy vibe. This was conservative local news for a conservative audience, with a palpable Christian tinge. Larry Moore's connection with his faith is clearly documented on this page. I had lived in other cities, and the local TV news in KC was riddled with conservatism, in my view, and I suspect if you went to many other cities around the country, you would see the same thing.

    Rather than providing more specifics to rebut your view I'm going to ask you to take a step back and consider a few things.

    Can you see how a deeply conservative Christian might not be a good fit for a news organization in the MSM? Faith is not a fact. It's a belief. If you base your life on faith, and it colors your every perspective, it seems like that could yield some bad reporting.

    Also, I think your outrage at the personal beliefs of the people at the top is related to ideas you have about the degree of influence the MSM has on the public. I know the MSM tries to influence the public, but there are limits. There are even documented cases where the audience influences the media outlet to change its tone on issues. I know I haven't answered your most recent question precisely, I have not named a conservative Christian with news control in the MSM. You use the word "beloved," in a disdainful way, are you bitter? If so that's sad.

    I do not love the MSM as a whole, but I do appreciate the difficulties and necessities that the MSM faces. They are in the position of promoting certain ideas within our society, even as they present certain facts and ignore others. MSM also is biased toward covering conflict because it's dramatic. Regarding their adgenda, they champion the disadvantaged, secularism, I'm sure your could list other parts of the adjenda. Surely you can see that they are not going to make everyone happy, and it is a fact that the people who run these organizations all graduated from a handful of institutions and they all think in similar ways.

    Even so, to dismiss the MSM in favor of someone who posts a video which is entitled "Trump Will Crush Crooked Hillary Clinton" is something, overall and in general, I'm not prepared to do, even though the MSM thought HC was going to win. MSM got it wrong, but I still support the standards of conduct MSM subscribes to.
     
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    Welcome!

    Please elaborate. Your post was brilliant until that line, that yet have the burden of the thread's title.

    PS; It's kewl - I read the rest of the posts by now.
     
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    You are not very old, are you?
     
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    MVictorP kind of you to welcome me. As u finally saw, the 2nd to last sentence of my OP was sarcastic. Republicans thought Obama was divisive? Oh boy........

    And our fine POTUS has said he supports Bill O'Reilly.


    Trump is a psycho
     
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    Has it occurred to you that the OP might be a centrist, or an independent? In which case it's a good thing to consider the negatives of BOTH sides.
     
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    It's partly driven by the embarrassment. We were SOOO sure we'd win.
     
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    You can't remember Obama getting elected?
    The GOP opposed him IMMEDIATELY and viciously.
    Don't you remember the current so-called president called for Obama's birth certificate?
    Better try some Ginko Biloba.
     
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    Well, the white racists are happy again. I guess that's a start, though not a very progressive one.
     
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    Shalom and welcome to the forum. :)
     
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    Welcome.
     
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    There are more conservative Christians in US media than there are conservative Buddhists. Why does religion matter?
     
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    You are avoiding the fact that there are NO important Conservative Christians doing anything important at most of big media and entertainment companies such as Viacom, Comcast, Time Warner and Disney.
     
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    That is because conservative christians are nutty and unqualified for public broadcasting. Keep them in church where they belong. No one but other nutty christians want to hear their crap.
     
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    When I hear people talk about Obama dividing the nation, who now support Trump, I honestly wonder if they have mental issues. Trump is destroying the country. Many of us are on the verge of supporting a civil war.

    What about civil war doesn't the rw get? How much more divided can we be? Trump is tearing the country apart and the rw thinks this is healing? Will it takes bombs falling on your heads before you figure it out?
     

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