President Trump Criticizes Socialism in State of the Union

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  1. Kode

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    "Inability"? It's not a question of "inability". But you can keep pretending you're a greater authority on this and that it's whatever you want it to be. Socialism will continue to be raised as the alternative until the way to make it succeed is found, just as capitalism did 400 to 500 years ago.

    Yeah like free market capitalism".
     
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    Here's a thought for you to consider. And please do. Capitalism has taken the U.S. from 20% of the wealthiest Americans owning & controlling 80% of the nation's wealth in the 1980s, to 2% of the richest Americans owning & controlling 98% of the wealth of the nation today. That happened in 3 decades. And, it enriched the wealthiest at an astronomical rate, while leaving the rest of the nation's populace out. Business owners, large investors, CEOs, and upper management got it all, while middle management, supervisors, workers and everyone else lost ground when wages were compared to increased cost of living. You deem Socialism a massive failure, but with this record around its neck, American capitalism is an equal if not larger failure. American capitalism isn't taking care of average Americans. American capitalism is using & abusing average Americans & rewarding only the wealthy, super-wealthy & ultra-wealthy. You may think this is good capitalism. I'd hate to think so. Capitalism is supposed to give everyone a chance at fulfilling their personal dreams, but capitalism in America has been hijacked completely by the wealthiest 2%, and under their control, capitalism is making no room for the rest of us. You may regard this as successful. I don't.
     
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    First, if that idea really appeals to you as a career move, go for it. I'll pass.
    Second, regardless of the amount of money out there for you or anyone to try for, if the wealthiest 2% of our people have 98% of that wealth in their bank accounts, businesses, art collections, or whatever, then that money isn't out there for you and the majority of our people to compete for. The lack of available money makes the competition harsher for less possibility. For a single individual totally committed to financial success, this may not matter, but for the popular masses--the majority of our population--it's devastating. Capitalism can claim success only if it serves the needs of the nation population as a whole. Our capitalism serves only the wealthy. That's not the America most of us grew up believing in. And, since we're the free people of this nation, and the ones with a say, I say change it to funnel more of that new wealth downline to middle Americans.
     
  4. Robert

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    If you are expecting it to fail right now, as to in the future, but your belief is it will fail, seek expert advice to save it now. SBA has SCORE I believe. SCORE are are retired experts who can look over your operation and help you stay in business.
     
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    Gee. VA is getting clobbered. I'm sorry for VA. I hope all this gets worked thru in a positive, constructive way. :)
     
  6. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do not see your proof.

    Besides, wealth is a lot more than mere cash. Wealth is a whole bunch of things. Do you own stocks you bought in 1960. Why should you be made a scapegoat for buying stocks so long ago? What if you are like my acquaintances who bought property long ago enough mortgages are paid off?

    That is the two fundamental areas of American wealth. It is not capitalism. Capitalism is more clearly thought of as commerce. Free commerce where two or more parties establish market price. Real estate prices are often bid prices. Stocks are bid for daily.

    Capitalism is not the mere ownership of wealth. Capitalism is the flow of funds from group A the factory to group B the consumer.
     
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    There is no lack of available money. The printing presses run 24/7. I can make as much money as I can make. If I were to stumble across a cure for cancer, I would be able to buy and sell bezos, and there would be no limit to my fortune. Certainly there would never be a time when they said "sorry, there's no more wealth for you to get."
     
  8. US Conservative

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    Nothing you have said isn't stale socialist talking points.

    Freedom means inequality in outcomes. Trying to achieve "equality" killed 100 million last century.

    As for the current crop of dems pushing socialism-I welcome it.

    Its a gift.
     
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    I will bring that up in the meeting monday.
     
  10. Robert

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    More information for you.

    The SBA helps Americans start, build and grow businesses.SCORE is a resource partner with the SBA. The SBA administers a Congressional grant which provides SCORE with funding.SCORE volunteers work with the SBA to provide small business mentoring and training to entrepreneurs through SBA offices.
    U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) | SCORE - SCORE.org



    https://www.score.org/us-small-business-administration-sba

    When i owned the machine shop, I got in touch with SCORE vis a vis SBA and a very competent CEO showed up via appointment. We talked quite a bit. He was a good source of help and information.
     
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    Humans work for two reasons, to better themself or because they are forced to. Socialism takes away the ability to better oneself, which is why they always devolve into coercion. No thank you, we were BORN FREE and we will REMAIN THAT WAY

    Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, and Kristin Gillibrand -- All Running for President -- All Endorse The Socialist Apocalypse Plan of Alexandria Donkey-Chompers

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    2:33 PM - Feb 7, 2019
     
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    Thanks for this info, I will certainly let the owner know. He's new to the game.
     
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    You never heard of fractional banking? Money in Banking and Investment Accounts are most certainly circulating in the economy.

    Money invested in business are buying goods and services, producing product and meeting payroll.

    President Trump's SOTU Affirmed Liberty to Unresponsive Subversives

    Pres. Donald Trump spat in the face of the socialists and socialists in sheep's clothing of the Democratic Party.
    Our Free Markets serve all of us.

    One Question For You: WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE US ECONOMY?
     
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    This party is setting itself up for failure earlier than I'd have guessed.

    Its going radical, and so it will divide itself.

    Somewhere, Schultz is smiling today.
     
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    Well, the problem comes in that we DO have politicians - and I'm specifically referring to Sanders and AOC - who DO want to take the US towards socialism. I've given her New Green Deal a look, and it's practically a blueprint for American Socialism. If Trump is saying the sky is blue, it's a result of others saying it's green, if you see what I mean.

    That's been around since FDR IIRC. I'm pretty sure there were Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton, and definitely Obama fanatics who wanted them in office forever - and I rather doubt anyone existed who wanted Carter in office any longer than he had to be there. But the difference I see between Obama fans and Trump fans - and I have both in my family so I see it close up - is that while a number of Obama fans thought of him in messianic terms, sadly literally as often as figuratively, it seems that the Trump fans I know want him to stay there not because they like him, but because it pisses off the left that he IS there.
     
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    That's part of Trump hit the richest Americans with limits on the SALT deductions, many Democrats are claiming that they will repeal the SALT deduction limits in order to lower taxes on the "tippee top". Let them know that they better not!
    That lack of progress tracks very nicely with our growing trade deficit. But Trump has his sleeves rolled up on that one!

    The Trade Deficit, a The Yawning Hole That Stole Our prosperity

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    It is. We will never trade our Free Markets and Constitutional Rights for Socialism. We were born free and we will remain that way.

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    POLL: TRUMP POPS TO 50% APPROVAL...

    What is the Purpose of American Free Markets?
     
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    An amendment could do that if done properly, or a treaty with other nations we ratify, good luck passing either one though to do that socialism never worked very well.
     
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    That does have an appeal for us.

    “‘Let’s vote on the Green New Deal!’ Graham, a Republican, tweeted Friday. ‘Americans deserve to see what kind of solutions far-left Democrats are offering to deal with climate change.’”
     
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    Trump knocked it in the head at the SOTU address.

    How Trump defeated Medicare-for-all

    Tuesday night, President Donald John Trump made it clear that he is where Ronaldus Magnus was at the same point in his presidency.

    Donaldus Perfectus had Democrat congresswomen cheering his speech.

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    And then he told them don't sit down.

    And they didn't!

    So where Democrats are after President Trump said, "We stand with the Venezuelan people in their noble quest for freedom — and we condemn the brutality of the Maduro regime, whose socialist policies have turned that nation from being the wealthiest in South America into a state of abject poverty and despair.

    "Here, in the United States, we are alarmed by new calls to adopt socialism in our country. America was founded on liberty and independence — not government coercion, domination, and control. We are born free, and we will stay free. Tonight, we renew our resolve that America will never be a socialist country."

    Two days later, Nancy Pelosi swept the Green New Deal Plan into the dustbin of history.

    Socialism isn't dead, of course, but capitalism just kicked its rear with 4% unemployment, 3% growth, and wages finally rising faster than inflation.
     
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    A constitutional amendment can only come about if 75% of states vote for it. That would mean that state governments would want socialism and that implies that a significant majority of americans would endorse such a move.

    As for a treaty, NOT a chance. First a treaty has be constitutional and second, who in their right mind would think that an international trade agreement would change the political/economic structure of the US?
     
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    Venezuela crisis: A health system in a state of collapse

    Hospital staff and families of patients say the health service has crumbled, neglected by the government over the last five years. Now there is barely running water, let alone enough medicines, as the BBC's Orla Guerin reports.

    All of the proponents for single payer -Michael Moore, Occasional-Cortex and their ilk- should be forced to receive their medical treatment in Caracas. I don't even think they should have to pay for it, as the native Venezuelans do. I just want them to receive the level of care that they so fervently desire to impose on this country.

    Weep for Venezuela.
     
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    They most likely didn't stand because they know that everything he spews from his mouth is a lie. He cannot be trusted to tell the truth under most circumstances. The republicans think they have all the answers to america's ill's; well they are living 40 years behind the times. the world is moving forward and we are getting left in the dust. Like it or not, times are going to change now that the baby boomer generation is starting to fade and the gen x and millennial's are starting to get elected to office. They'll have quite a mess to clean up from the republicans when all is said and done.
     
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    With the first 80 of them in a meager barely keep our heads above water growth instead of a full recovery and even just OK employment and earnings. If we just had .001% growth each of those 100 months indeed it would be slow and steady and not enough to sustain the economy, jobs and incomes so your state on it's face has no value. It's how much growth, what kind of income gains, what levels of employment and those were all horrible under the Democrat/Obama years and policies.
     
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    Oh come on.

    It wasn't the venezuelan healthcare system that created the economic chaos, its just one of the many government programs that have collapsed.

    You do realize that the US is an outlier in the industrialized world for not having a universal healthcare system. And most of those have a mix of basic care for all, with private group/individual insurance to supplement medical services with things like private rooms, dental, etc. And they do it for far less money per capita than the US. You'd think given the exorbitant costs in the US that most Americans can see that there might be a better proven way of improving access and better controlling costs. But I suppose some like to pay $20K to get a heart stent in America, but I much prefer the "no direct patient cost" I experienced in Canada. Jus' sayin'
     
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    I man not saying they are less human or aren't entitled to the same rights I am simply saying that the vast majority of them have no right to complain about living paycheck to paycheck since its their shitty spending habits that are causing them to live that way in the first place. I make way less than many of my friends but wouldn't change my job for theirs because they work in boring ass office jobs staring at computer screens (and not the fun kind like playing games) and punching keys all day long. That being said I have a fairly nice albeit small apartment with central air, a 2009 Acura TL with the technology package which I got for a great deal (****ing super nice car) and a high end PC and I am a few months away from saving up for a high end laptop as well. And also unlike many them I have zero debt except for my student loans.

    I knew a guy who raised five kids on 40k a year. He had all sorts of tricks for saving money such as buying cereal that was just past the expiration date at the Sentry because the manager would save up the boxes for him and sell them to him for half price. I don't do that myself but he was also the one that showed me about how much really good crap you could find in rich neighborhood Goodwills.

    Oh and I also found out that my phone plan now offers a real unlimited data plan (as in no throttling back after X amount of GBs) for $50. So I cancelled my internet which cost me $50 and now use my phone as a tether and shockingly my speeds are actually better with that than the land line. LOL. Every single TV show and movie can be found on sites like Couchtuner and Solarmovies etc (just make sure to use adblock and scriptblock and Privacy Badger) so there is no reason to pay for cable either unless you watch a lot of sports. That is still a bitch to find online.

    If you don't you absolutely must listen to Clark Howard. I am not big on talk radio since most of it puts me to sleep but he has tons of tips and tricks about saving money on stuff from eyeglasses to how to invest and what to avoid etc. and he isn't super boring about it either which is pretty amazing since he is talking about finances which is one of the most boring aspects of daily life. The thing is once you start living that way it almost becomes an addiction seeing your bank account grow and how much money you can shove into your 401k and IRAs, not the Irish kind the investment kind. My only regret is that I didn't do this until I was mid 30s. I would be ****ing rich if I started this in my 20s.
     
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