Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Robert, Feb 11, 2019.
Thank you for confirming what I told you in my post.
The simple explanation is that the claim is bogus. First, let's start with the assumption that all Democrats are of one mind. Not so. Some of the younger folks in the Democratic party have made some statements about open borders, but overall, Democrats in Congress have worked towards border security. They have not reversed course on previous legislation. They have refused to continue funding without other parts of the issue that Trump wants to eliminate.
It is a concern for voters that Trump lies.
It is no crisis.
Apparently you called my claim bogus. But then you confirmed it. Actually i did not say all democrats. Security is a right. We have the right as citizens to keep out illegals.
Trump is installing a highly improved wall. And it is approved by our law enforcement people that are charged with border security.
We citizens have the right to border security. Even if many Democrats do not want it, the bulk of we citizens have the right. This premise is not new. FDR used it against the Jews when the Jews fled Germany.
Only sillies say the Dems don't want effective border security. Even some far right agit prop bots lie that the Dems don't want it.
FDR used it against the Jews, and the Alt Right nativistic scum used it against Latinos.
How can you credit Pelosi as handing to Trump his own Ass?
The democrats who favor the closed border favor the walls being constructed by Trump.
What makes it difficult to deal with you is you refuse to offer facts supported by any source.
A poster alleges Pelosi handed Trump's ass to him. I query as to what is the basis for such a claim.
Say she had crafted a bill that got to Trump and he vetoed it. Well, That would be a better support that she accomplished an act. But she did not. She gave Trump nothing. Trump could not simply decide to craft his laws or bills for his own signature.
i do not find for the Democrats that they handed a thing to Trump he could have signed or rejected. He is the victim of Democrats lies and strange lack of logic. The shut down did not happen on Pelosi's watch either. If we have another, this will be on her watch. She persists in waging war against Trump and that will get her noplace at all.
When Obama was president, then the Democrats wanted the closed border. Not now. They now reject what Obama was doing. Rather odd how they flip flopped.
Democrats can easily work as part of the team to finish the type of walls now used by Trump.
Mexico nor the Central American natives have any right to enter the USA pursuant to illegal means. We do have a totally legal system that opens the border to legal aliens.
In fact, i would be on record as saying our present immigration laws are what they are only due to Democrats crafting them. If they claim the system is broken, Democrats broke it.
Sounds to me as if you are pleased illegals shove into the nation illegally yet those following the law, eg. chain migration makes you furious. So you are furious at the legal, pleased with the illegal.
That is what i think of your idea.
Democrats reject the wall built by Trump yet they present no evidence the wall design of Trump is not working.
Sorry, but you did say all Democrats. I've pointed this thing out many times--when we say "the Democrats" we're not limiting our comments to any smaller group of Democrats, we're saying "all" Democrats.
As you can see here, you don't specify a group of Democrats, but rather lump all Democrats together when you say "the" Democrats. I think most Democrats are not for open borders, and are not even against adding to what we already have. Like I said, the disagreement has to do with things like DACA and the finer details of the bill.
And illegal immigration will do nothing to change that fact.
Robert, no, you are wrong. Dems are for border security, but the wall as imagined by Trump is too costly and will not be effective.
Trump's wall will not be built.
My term Democrats is defined as those voting for Government laws, bills and so forth. As to the general population of Democrats, I do not speak for those.
You declaring i am wrong means nothing at all to me. And you claiming Democrats are for border security is a claim i believed when Obama was president, since he proved he was by constructing 750 miles of walls and fences. But the run of the mill Democrat has yet to prove to me they are for security,. They keep trying to limit the Feds on numbers of illegals held in jail.
This was something around a year back
You made no distinction with your original comments. Using quantifiers changes everything.
Democrats in Congress are not monolithic in their thinking and not all vote the same. Again, you're tossing all into one category, which makes any claim bogus.
Then why are they calling for the elimination of the immigration and customs enforcement agency, which is tasked with border security?
"They"? Or some of them? I think it's pointless to try and talk about these things if we can't get past the binary mindset.
I think those who want to get rid of ICE are basing that on the roundups and the alleged mistreatment of those in custody.
No Democrats are for open borders.
Only anti-American bots say that.
It does not mean a thing what Robert believes, because the facts do not support him.
No "wall" has been built in 2018 or 2018 with money appropriated in those years. The new proposed bill does offer some money for fencing.
Robert, please stay with the facts.
They should have "El Chapo" pay for it:
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