President Trump's briefings concerning the coronavirus

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  1. HurricaneDitka

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    I hope so too. I certainly hope we've selected a less-incompetent leader than New York did. If it turns out we haven't, I won't be trying to lay the blame at the feet of the feds.
     
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    We'll all find out soon enough. This epidemic is a virtual trial by fire as to whether or not these men are up to the task or whether they just kissed enough ass to be elected. Case in point, Ron Desantis.
     
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    White House briefing live now:
     
  4. Zorro

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    So, you would consider the 20's and 30's to be "old"?

    Okay....
     
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    Stares like NY and Cuomo demand they control how is it handled in their state’s, which is how it should be. But then want to demand things of the Feds and blame them when things don’t meet their demands.
    Either you want control and take that responsibility, or you don’t.

    For example When Trump was talking about shutting down NY days ago, Cuomo was throwing a fit saying it was not legal to do so. Then he whines Trump is doing nothing. What he means is Trump is not doing what he thinks Trump Should do in NY.

    Can’t have it both ways.
     
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  6. Zorro

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    A 1% death rate is 10 TIMES the death rate of the flu at 0.1%

    Once the epidemic is over, the fatality rate will be calculated by deaths/# infected.

    In the newly infected, the outcome is still unknown.

    The correct way to measure it is the death rate in COMPLETED cases, that is, they either recovered or they died.

    I wouldn't use Chinese data because they are known liars and we have plenty of data without theirs.

    49,872 dead / 185,693 completed cases (dead+recovered) = 27% fatality rate in completed cases. That 270 times deadlier than a completed flu case.

    This isn't the flu.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
     
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    They’re rolling out new contours to the blame narrative, despicable. A Clown show today.
     
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  8. pjohns

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    I would consider the 20s (and especially the early 20s) to be young.

    I would consider the 30s (and especially the upper 30s) to be middle-aged.

    Now, please answer my question...
     
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    I have already noted that--twice--yet you keep throwing it up in my face, as though it were something new.

    And I still contend that a one percent death rate is negligible. (That means that there is a 99 percent recovery rate.)

     
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    I enjoyed the WH website being changed, over night, to support SILOTUS' false claims made yesterday.

    For those not following along, Jared Kushner told reporters: "The notion of the federal stockpile was it's supposed to be our stockpile. It's not supposed to be states' stockpiles that they then use."

    Prior to his statements, this is what was on the WH Website:
    "Strategic National Stockpile is the nation's largest supply of life-saving pharmaceuticals and medical supplies for use in a public health emergency severe enough to cause local supplies to run out. When state, local, tribal, and territorial responders request federal assistance to support their response efforts, the stockpile ensures that the right medicines and supplies get to those who need them most during an emergency. Organized for scalable response to a variety of public health threats, this repository contains enough supplies to respond to multiple large-scale emergencies simultaneously."

    Over night, however, it was changed to:
    "The Strategic National Stockpile's role is to supplement state and local supplies during public health emergencies. Many states have products stockpiled, as well. The supplies, medicines, and devices for life-saving care contained in the stockpile can be used as a short-term stopgap buffer when the immediate supply of adequate amounts of these materials may not be immediately available."

    Of course HHS says that there were already plans to change the website. Ahhhh yep!
     
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    Well, not really.

    Flu has a 0.1% or a tenth of the death rate and that can be enough to kill anywhere from 30-60,000 Americans in a year.
    Actually, that is NOT what we are seeing in completed case counts. Remember, in new cases the Virus hasn't had an opportunity to do it's deadly work. After all the cases are completed and this epidemic is over, the death rate will be calculated by deaths divided by total number of infections.

    We can get the death rate on completed cases now. In a completed case, the person either died or recovered. So are 99% recovering? Not according to the data.

    First exclude China as they are well known liars and we have an abundance of data not infected by their propaganda.

    That leaves 55,111 dead
    151,434 recovered or 206,545 completed cases
    55,111/206,545 = 26.7% or 267 TIMES more deadly than the flu.

    US deaths are doubling every 3.5 days and currently stand at 6,927 At that rate, deaths will double 4 times in the next two weeks.
    That would put us at 110,832 total deaths by the Friday after next.

    What about that strikes you as similar to seasonal flu?

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
     
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    So, you think 35 is mid life and that folks 35 today can expect to die at 70?

    Death rates for those under 40 are currently estimated at 2% or 20 TIMES deadlier than the flu.

    And that death rate ASSUMES large numbers of undetected illnesses that have already recovered. As the hard data comes in, that assumption is being seriously challenged. South Korea, which has done probably the most extensive testing has NOT found a large undetected number of mild cases.

    After CA instituted much more widespread testing, they didn't either. 95% of those tested, who thought they had it, tested negative. So, if that assumption fails, that 2% could turn out to be a fairy tale.
     
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    I certainly do not have any admiration for the Chinese communist government. And I do not entirely trust the figures that it sets forth.

    But I really have no good reason to suspect that it is fudging the numbers here. (I simply cannot see just how it might be in its best interest to do so.)

    Therefore, your numbers are entirely bogus, it seems to me.
     
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    I answered your question; and then asked you to answer mine.

    Until you do so, I shall not answer any more of your questions.
     
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    Absolutely you are being called on to alter your lifestyle. This is war and as an able bodied American you are part of the Reserve Militia. When your President/Governor/Mayor calls on you to serve, you serve.

    Your service in this war is to social distance and use sanitary practices of hand washing and continual disinfection of touch surfaces. It's not the end of the world. When our Grandfathers were called into our nation's service they fought the Battle of the Bulge, from tents, in the midst of the one of the most severe winters in modern European history. They faced the Kamikaze's in the Pacific campaign.

    Cheer up, you are joining the ranks of True Heroes, and frankly, in much better conditions.

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    They aren't my numbers.

    China has lied continuously through this entire episode, but they still have a loyal fan base in this nation.

    https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...-gTzr56ADQ&q=Is+China+lying+about+Coronavirus

    It's actually quite remarkable that members of the Fake News Media troll the president during presidential briefings, in the WH

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    Fortunately we have a President that is ideally suited to rubbing these clown's noses in their own excrement even while he takes pleasure in performing this essential act for the American People
     
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    Mr. Trump will make a statement any moment now. Turn on your TVs.

    In the meantime, US has just crossed the 300K mark of infected.
     
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    So, you are asserting, then, that I should "alter my lifestyle, significantly, for a difference of just 0.9 percentage points"? (By the way, that amounts to just under one out of 111.)

    Just why this should amount to some sort of "war"--unlike the H1N1 virus of roughly a decade ago--I have no clue...
     
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    Yes, China has lied from the beginning. When it is in its interest to do so, it will surely do this.

    But I simply cannot see how it might be in China's best interest to lie about the number of people infected--or the number that have died--from the coronavirus.

    Can you?
     
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    They are party to international agreements that mandate accurate reporting for the welfare of the countries that interact with them. They blatantly died and thousands of people in the world are now dying as a result.
     
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    0.9% death rate is 9 times deadlier than the flu.

    No one is predicting only a 0.9% death rate. Further, the correct way to measure death rate is to look at COMPLETED cases.

    Excluding China because they are liars and their data is untrustworthy:

    71,282 dead
    201,133 recovered
    = 26.2% completed case fatality rate.

    Congress is following the Fifth Amendment with stimulus. The Fifth states that private property cannot "be taken for public use, without just compensation."

    Your labor is your property.
    Stopping a pandemic is public use.

    Since the relief checks represent compensation for government orders to stay home, and you are refusing to change your lifestyle, pledge publicly now, not to accept one cent of payment from the government for pandemic relief.
     
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    So China is a "party to international agreements that mandate accurate reporting for the welfare of the countries that interact with them."

    But that still does not answer the question, viz.: "[H]ow it might be in China's best interest to lie about the number of people infected--or the number that have died--from the coronavirus"?
     
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    Again: You wish to exclude China, whereas I do not.

    So why not quit banging your head against a wall, and just agree to disagree?

    This truly seems like a...well, a quite odd post.

    I simply do not recall President Trump's ever having asserted that the $1,200 checks ($2,400 for a husband and wife; plus an additional $500 for each minor child) are intended as "compensation for government orders to stay home."

    Rather, they appear to be intended as a stimulus for the economy (which is currently on life support).
     
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    That doesn't get you to 0.9% fatality rate in completed cases.

    The completed case death rate including Lying China's numbers is 21%, which is 23 TIMES your mythical rate of 0.9%

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    The completed case death rate excluding Lying China's numbers is 26%

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    If being pointed toward hard facts and real world evidence feels like your head is being slammed against the wall, you are doing it wrong. It's fine to form a hypothesis and then use it to evaluate real world evidence, but, then let the real world evidence reshape your hypothesis. It's not a contest to see how firmly you can cling to a completely falsified position.
    No. People are staying at home in a collective effort to protect our most vulnerable and each other from the ravages of this terrible disease. And, to keep folks whole during this period where their job is to stay at home and socially distance, we are collectively distributing financing to one another. You have made it repeatedly plain that you have no intention of participating, so naturally you must also be planning on refusing the funds that are being provided to facilitate out social distancing efforts.

    There is nothing "odd" about intellectual consistency, it's actually quite fabulous. You would probably find it unexpectedly self-rewarding.
     
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    I'm only required to determine THAT they lied. And they did, repeatedly and constantly. I have no responsibility or interest in WHY they lied. In my experience liars will always find reasons to lie it is simply who they are. See The Frog and the Scorpion for more insight on this well-known phenomena.

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