"Pro-Choice" Hypocrites Rediscover the Right to Personal Autonomy

With the leak of the Alito opinion that suggests the SCOTUS is about to overturn Roe v. Wade, I'm shocked, shocked! to find the people who supported vaccine mandates screaming to high heaven about the Court's alleged decision to hand the issue of reproductive rights down to the states (and their voters) to decide.

For those of us who believe the right to personal autonomy is sacrosanct in ALL cases, whether it involves reproduction, vaccines, purchasing health insurance, self-defense, you name it, it's refreshing to see the fair weathered friends in the "Pro-Choice" crowd rediscover the importance and value of the right to personal autonomy, even if it's for a selective, fleeting moment.

I invite all of you to chime in on this carnival of double-standards, but in the meantime I can't help but wonder if the anti-choice supporters of the ObamaCare individual mandate and Biden vaccine mandate have learned anything from this experience? Has the cognitive dissonance set in yet? By all means, share your thoughts and feelings, too.

As the erstwhile supporters of individual rights and limited government can tell you, there's another lesson to be learned here about the Big Government that so many Americans can't get enough of.

Who wants MORE of this?

I don't.

 

Abortion is not a highly contagious and deadly disease. Covid is.

 

I wonder how the Republicans plan on paying for the medical care and healthcare and housing and food for all these new babies that will be born.

Where will they get the money to build all the new schools that are needed?

 

And yet abortion is the single most deadly killer in the minority population. It outstrips covid, heart disease, cancer, all forms of natural death.

 

And how many, and how much do you expect that number to be?

 

So now the white supremacy nuts will freak out over that as well... "they're trying to replace us!!!" scream to the universe.

 

So how will these new anti-abortion laws be enforced? What will be the penalties? Will you pay for new jails to house raped teenagers who seek abortions?
Anti-abortion comes with consequences as well - it won't just be rainbows and unicorns - these laws have been tried before in this country, they
were a failure.

 

Democrats have thought this all along.

 

You don't seem to understand. If RvW is overturned there will be no more abortions. That's how it works, right?

 

I can remain Covid-free without the vaccine and survive without the vaccine (and I have). I cannot survive an abortion.

Apples and accordions aside: my body, my choice - not your choice.

 

Literally no one cares.

 

The "Government knows whats best" crowd is bleating a different tune. All of a sudden, using government to impose personal beliefs on others is unacceptable. A womans right to bodily autonomy needs to be defended, unless of course, she wishes to protect herself from a rapist/killer with a gun or refuse to consume a pharma product.

 

they don't

 

I frankly don't know your views to see if they meet the libertarian standard of consistency. So I pose these questions.

What are your views on drug laws, on helmet and seat belt laws, on auto insurance ownershio requirements, on suicide and self harm criminalization statutes etc?

 

? Since when?

 

I'm amazed at how many people don't understand the Roe v. Wade Decision. All it said was that state laws outlawing abortion were unconstitutional - it
did not "legalize" abortions. Abortions were already legal in a number of states BEFORE Roe v. Wade. Abortions will be legal in a
number of states if Roe v. Wade is overturned. Abortions will be illegal in some of the red states - they will be legal with restrictions in other
states. Republican politicians will be under the gun to decide how far they go ... will they forced raped teens to carry their rapist's baby to term?
Have fun, Republicans.

 

And therein lies the problem with the "Government knows what's best" mindset. "Government knows what's best" when it's your government, but when it isn't, you're screwed.

Which goes to show, government isn't the only thing that doesn't know best.....

 

I have literally never heard anyone ever say "govt knows what's best". Do you really come across people who actually state such? Or are you exaggerating for effect?

 

Consistent on all of them and more. Conversely, I have no problem with people (including myself) choosing to the contrary.

How about you?

 

I am not a libertarian precisely because I do not feel so constrained. I do give a nodding respect to your consistency. There is a liberty interest we ought to always consider in all our policy, but there are other equally compelling interests to weigh as well. I don't see that liberty interest as always superseding every other interest, certainly not to the detriment of all the rest!

 

Since when do people have to verbalize something to think or believe it?

If you know someone who supports vaccine mandates you know some who believes "government knows what's best". If you know someone who supports the individual HI mandate you know some who believes "government knows what's best".

 

It helps if one verbalizes what they think or believe as A) I don't know how to read minds and B) I'd rather not make ASSumptions about what one thinks or believes.
And no, your examples do not necessarily mean people believe "govt knows what's best". Here's why...if you make that ASSumption then you will also have to make the ASSumption that every person who agrees with overturning RvW believes "government knows what's best". If you support banning certain textbooks then you must believe "government knows what's best". That's just to name a couple.

 

Those supporting more government interference in our lives are doing so with good intentions. The "Government knows whats best" crowd. They really believe that it is for your own good.

These good intentions are exploited by politicians for the purpose of gaining/maintaining power. They are too shortsighted to consider that the power they support will be used for what they oppose.

While they are reacting to a taste of their own medicine, I hope a few of them realize the error of their ways and maybe come to their senses.

 

You mean like SC possibly overturning RvW? Or banning textbooks? Seems both sides want some govt interference in our lives from time to time.

 

And now, the anti-choice people when it comes to abortion who turned into the pro-choice people when it came to vaccines and masks have now turned back to being anti-choice again.

There's hypocrisy all around, not just with left-wingers who support vaccine mandates, but with the right wingers who told them to go suck an egg because of their freedoms and bodily autonomy who forget all about those concepts when it comes to a woman's healthcare.