Pro choice people eventually become pro life

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1) I stated previously that I too change my moral position with respect to abortion later in the term. You do not seem to be understanding my posts. I am not at the extreme. I am very much in the middle.

    2) It is the pro life movement that is on the extreme - proposing legislation that declares the zygote to be a "Homo Sapiens" in an effort to ban all abortion for example ... or even at 6 weeks as in law recently passed in Missouri and Georgia. This position - while not universal among anti aborts - is the majority position among that crowd.

    3) We are on the same page with respect to the rest of your post.
     
  2. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Donor

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    I would say that it is a human being at conception. That doesn't make it murder. I may agree with you that it is wrong, but I draw the line at letting the government make our decisions.

    Keep in mind, abortion laws failed long before the internet, abortion drugs, and the ability to pee on a stick to detect pregnancy.
     
  3. Renee

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    No , you used the right word it is a fetus. But last time you looked no one legally aborted a healthy viable fetus and a healthy mother. It’s just an emotional trigger for people who want to deny women reproductive freedom
     
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    Renee Well-Known Member

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    As the pregnancy advances I would imagine a woman is talking personally. It doesn’t mean she is anti-choice for women. Making up false stats and such silly ones is counterproductive
     
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    I agree the extreme of the pro life movement is just that, extreme and believes in life begins at conception with no abortion ever. The extreme on the pro choice side wants life to begin at birth with abortion allowed right up until then. Until some new designation for the vast majority in the middle is identified and a word coined for them I'm kind of stuck with saying most people start out pro choice but turn pro life as pregnancy progresses.
     
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    The whole point of the OP is that the vast majority think it's a human baby well before birth and killing a human baby is murder so yeah at some point it's governments job to enforce murder laws on abortion. There's already law that killing a pregnant woman is double homicide so it's no stretch to call abortion homicde after a certain period in the pregnancy.
     
  7. Renee

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    You keep repeating THR SAME THING no one wants abortion up to the last minute..IT DOESNT HAPPEN!
    And your silliness that as the pregnancy progresses women suddenly become against choices for other women. You just made that up or you got that from some ridiculous
     
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    I realize you believe it's a fetus right up until birth and it's killing should be allowed. The vast majority strongly disagree.
     
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    It is a double homicide because the potential child is being terminated against the will if the woman . If I chopped off my finger is it the same as if you chop off my finger? If I commit suicide is it the same as if you murder me
     
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    I sourced all my statistics. Nothing false about them.
     
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    Josephwalker Well-Known Member

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    If it doesn't happen why not have a law that makes it clear it is not legally allowed to happen? What would that hurt if as you say it doesn't happen?
     
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    If it doesn't happen why not have a law that makes it clear it is not legally allowed to happen? What would that hurt if as you say it doesn't happen?
    Once again you think a human baby is nothing more than an appendage of the pregnant woman right up until birth. I get that. I know your position on this so move on.
     
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    Josephwalker Well-Known Member

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    Once again you think a human baby is nothing more than an appendage of the pregnant woman right up until birth. I get that. I know your position on this so move on.
     
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    Its not what people think that counts; its what the government forces on us. That is why killing a pregnant woman is a double murder. It was done against her will. While I respect your opinion, I can never allow you to force it on others.
     
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    Why would you say that ? How is a single human cell a living human ? Since you cant explain this - never mind prove that this claim is true - why would you make such a claim ?

    Do you think your liver and heart cells are all human beings as well ? If not .. what is the significant difference that makes the zygote a living human and the others not ?
     
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    I can't help if you think that conception involves a single cell. Many believe that human life begins at conception and I will give them that. It doesn't mean that the government should ever have the power to enforce that opinion. Do you understand?
     
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    Why are you telling me this ? It was I that schooled you on the difference between 1) having a belief and 2) forcing that belief on others through law. Further - I never even mentioned law.

    Conception does involve a single cell. My question is why you think that this single cell (the zygote) should be classified as a living human ?
     
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    No I don't understand. Government which represents society has the right to pass laws against murder and at some point during pregnancy the fetus becomes a human being baby. At that point which is yet to be determined due to politics aborting that baby is murder. I think we need to rely on both science and common sense to determine when abortion becomes murder and even though I transition from pro choice to pro life after the first trimester I personally wouldn't call abortion murder until the baby is viable outside the womb. That seems like at least a point to start the discussion of when is abortion murder.
     
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    How about legitimate sites?Most women are pro-choice
     
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    In the first trimester yes. After that men and women both transition to pro life as length of pregnancy increases. What is so hard fir you to understand here? People position in abortion shifts over time as a zygote become a baby at some point during pregnancy. It's just fact,face it, accept reality.
     
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    That’s bullshit that’s all I could say. If that were the case all the women who have children would be anti-choice. Women have beenpro-choice consistently. What it sounds like you’re saying is that they themselves wouldn’t have a late term abortion because most of these people have healthy fetuses and are healthy women but your belief that they don’t want other women to have reproductive freedom is ridiculous
     
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    They have had to do some serious rethinks on the foetal harm laws as they found that it prevented women at risk from getting ante natal care or even having babies in the hospital settings
     
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    :applause::applause::applause::applause::applause: And don't forget the Repubs blame the children !!!
     
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    This might surprise you. It did me.

    "Democratic pollster Celinda Lake said on Friday that women are more likely to oppose abortion rights than men.

    Women are much less likely to be pro-choice," Lake, who is the president of Lake Research, told Hill TV's Joe Concha on "What America's Thinking."

    https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-ame...llster-women-are-less-likely-to-be-pro-choice
     
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