"Progressive" Ideological Subversion-The 4 Stages to Bring Down a Country

Many of you, particularly on the Right, may remember former Soviet KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov's eye-opening 1984 interview where he explained the Communist strategy - ideological subversion/active measures - of taking down the United States and the other liberal, free-market republics around the world:



So, where does America stand today? This video juxtaposes Bezmenov's interview with recent events:



More interesting, in my personal opinion, are the observations of Soviet dissident Alexander Solzhenitsyn, the Nobel Prize-winning author of The Gulag Archipelago and A Day in the Life Of Ivan Denisovich, who saw us heading down the road to socialist ruin back in the 1970s and spoke about it in a series of speeches he gave in the United States and Great Britain after he was expelled from the USSR in 1974:


https://www.amazon.com/Warning-West-Aleksandr-Solzhenitsyn/dp/0374513341

A few quotes/passages from Warning to the West here:

It is with a strange feeling that those of us from the Soviet Union look upon the West of today. It is though we were neither neighbors on the same planet nor contemporaries. And yet we contemplate the West from what will be your future, or we look back seventy years to see our past suddenly repeating itself today. And what we see is always the same as it was then: adults deferring to the opinions of children, the younger generation carried away by shallow, worthless ideas; professors scared of being unfashionable; journalists refusing to take responsibility for the words they squander so easily; universal sympathy for revolutionary extremists; people with serious objections unable or unwilling to voice them; the majority passively obsessed with a feeling of doom; feeble governments; societies whose defensive reactions have become paralyzed; spiritual confusion leading to political upheaval. What will happen as a result of all this lies ahead of us. But the time is near, and from bitter memory we can easily predict what these events will be.
(pp.129-130)

The decline of contemporary thought has been hastened by the misty phantom of socialism. Socialism has created the illusion of quenching people's thirst for justice; Socialism has lulled their conscience into thinking that the steamroller that is about to flatten them is a blessing in disguise, a salvation, And socialism, more than anything else, has caused public hypocrisy to thrive; it has enabled Europe to ignore the annihilation of 66 million people on its very borders.
(p. 140)

I'd like to hear what Solzhenitsyn thinks of us now, although I don't think I'd like the answer.

 

Repeated topic: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ssia-manipulation-of-american-opinion.590373/

 

How come the right are following all these Soviet guys?

 

In case you missed it, Solzhenitsyn and Bezmenov warned us about you guys.

Unfortunately, most Americans didn't listen...

 

I gotta stop ya right there Talon. The pre- dissolution of the USSR is not comparable to today.

Again, if we're going to compare the USSR to today, what we first see is that the Soviet Union failed. What may have been a strategy in the '70s is not applicable to today.

If you're trying to make a case for such a strategy among American progressives, it's not going to work unless you can show direct intent. That you disagree with policy positions does not mean anyone is trying to subvert the nation.

We defeated the USSR. If you want to defeat progressives (I share some disdain for progressive policy myself), you need alternatives. Fear mongering doesn't accomplish anything, though it may win an election or two in the short term.

 

“The meaning of earthly existence lies not, as we have grown used to thinking, in prospering but in the development of the soul.”
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn,

“Human rights' are a fine thing, but how can we make ourselves sure that our rights do not expand at the expense of the rights of others. A society with unlimited rights is incapable of standing to adversity. If we do not wish to be ruled by a coercive authority, then each of us must rein himself in...A stable society is achieved not by balancing opposing forces but by conscious self-limitation: by the principle that we are always duty-bound to defer to the sense of moral justice.”
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn

“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Solzhenitsyn warned us about anyone who has to resort to "you guys" rather than look at humans as all being individuals.

 

Wrong! Conservatives listened and bought it, lock, stock, and barrel.

 

I think many progressives have lost sight of the ends and have become accustomed to focusing too much on the means.

To the point they are willing to destroy the economy and society so long as they are able to achieve their immediate goals.

This isn't a good thing.

We should all want a better country.

 

This is the claim every time a Democrat sits in the Oval Office. It never happens. The truth is that Republican presidents have presided over huge economic destruction. Democrats have come to the rescue, every time. In recent history, anyway.

 

Actually, the situation in pre-revolutionary Russia is strikingly similar to what we're seeing in America today.

The strategy is from the late 19th to early 20th Century, and it's been quite successful. It's even making inroads here.

These things don't happen by accident, and keep in mind I specifically referred to "progressives" in the OP, not the Left in general. Solzhenitsyn made similar distinctions in many of his writings.

I'm not fear mongering, and the alternatives to what "progressives" are offering are clear. However, I think the problems in this country run so deep that the solutions aren't political, they're personal (in the human sense).

 

Oh brother. Okay. Let's play word games.

BACKWARD!

 

How trite.

When the Soviets denounced Solzhenitsyn in Pravda before his expulsion from the USSR they did the exact same thing you did here.

And I could post similar pictures of Obama and Hillary Clinton making similar gestures, too...

 

Sadly you're kind of correct.
I have studied Russian history (trying to understand what drove the society to revolution, and then later what led to the collapse of the Soviet Union).

America wants to "go socialist" like Europe, but sadly America is just not like Europe. It would sort of be like an impoverished country in Latin America or Africa wanting to become "like Europe", it's just not immediately realistic or possible.

And when Europe went socialist that was in a different situation that existed many decades ago. Today there is increasing strain being placed upon that system. There are some early indicators that it might not really be sustainable, in combination with mass migration and the changing society.

 

Never mind that "FORWARD" was actually one of Obama's campaign slogans.

And if you post another ass shot of Trump I'll post a picture of Helen Thomas' face. Don't make me do it.

 

I have something even better.



MAGA !

 

How many J6 hearing threads do we have now? 4? 5?

The OP is correct. Leftists in this country have divided the country into victimhood fiefdoms and rule them all by pitting them against their fellow citizens.

Dementia Biden - with his 47-year history of solving absolutely nothing - talks about healing out one side of his mouth while calling half the country "National Security Threats".

 

Stolen elections have consequences.

 

You have deflections, which means you have nothing.

 

Wow you guys really worship trump.

 

The consequence, I hope, is that millions of Conservatives will stay home on the next election day.

Logically, if you believe your own stories, you won't go either.

No ?

 

Stage 1 - Demoralisation - tick (successfully completed)
Stage 2 - Destabilisation - tick (almost successfully completed)
Stage 3 - Crisis - phase we are entering next. You could argue we have already entered this phase ito preparations- since the economic environment is primed and set for crisis, so are the social environment....it's just a matter of pushing over the first domino. Most countries are also armed to the teeth and relations are rock bottom...peace is nothing more than two fingers extended in the air, all they have to do is lower one
Stage 4 - Normalisation -

 

No, they didn't. They made the mistake of telling themselves that "It could never happen here" and assumed that the Left - most particularly "progressive" bitter enders - would learn from the spectacular failure of the socialist experiment that brought down the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain, but they were wrong, and Jean-François Revel explained to them why they were wrong in Last Exit to Utopia.

 

Lol.

Lots of slogans out there. Some with more than one word. Meaningless comparisons can be made for anybody, by anyone.

Want some real communists? These guys are the true Marxists. First recorded labor strike, in the 12th century BCE.



It's a silly comparison, but the logic is no different than comparing a simple one-word slogan.

Obama is a free trade capitalist. Trying to assert meaning in random patterns doesn't hold water.