Prolonged shutdown could leave millions without food stamps and hit small businesses

Yes, its lucky for the family that joe kennedy made lots of money

 

How the **** is a job a handout. Stop being an idiot, your entire argument is logically flawed and you know it.

 

Not if you cut your budget. Anyone living paycheck to paycheck has usually put themselves in that situation vs planning for an emergency in the future. There are some outliers, but for the most part people decide to spend everything in their paycheck every paycheck.

 

Not at all, no one is guaranteed a job or a living that meets their wants or even their needs, meeting those wants and needs is up to the individual and not for the people to provide if the money comes up short.

If you cannot fathom that then you have more serious problem than can be solved here.

 

The modern "Left" does not recognize the bureaucracy and its satellites as middle men. It should.

 

It depends on how they choose to live. Living paycheck to paycheck means spending all your money as soon as you get it.

 

If you make $1k/month and pay $750/month in rent, you're not going to have anything left after utilities, phone, car and groceries. A person in that situation wouldn't be able to spend less either. And don't say they should find a better job because while that might be true on a personal level, someone is going to have to do the job.

This is why this line of argument fails. It assumes people can save despite many government jobs being min wage and ignores that those jobs have to be done for society to function. If you want people to save 9 months worth of bills, you have to pay them.

 

Then they either need to split rent with someone else, or get a better paying job.

A person's lack of being able to make needs meet is not societies problem to solve, the solution to that problem lies squarely on the person with the problem.

 

I was talking about living paycheck to paycheck and you are talking about inadequate income. Apples and Oranges.

 

There is no such thing as an inadequate income, there are only excuses and fools who cannot budget their money.

 

You aren't really think stupid are you? What do you think causes living paycheck to paycheck? I'm getting tired of the intellectual dishonesty from the right on this forum.

 

It's OK, I'm tired of being insulted by the likes of you.

 

What kind of dumb grammar is that?

The inability to get a well paying job, commonly caused by ignorance, laziness, poor life choices or all of those combined.

Well most of it is on your side for not realizing there really is no excuse to live paycheck to paycheck.

 

Autocorrect, should have been 'that'.

 

No, the shutdown should not be the principle of the thing. Things have changed and we need more housing for those that cross illegally, more judges and more border officers to process them. And, it has to be a full package. Including more fencing and technology

The Dems know that but are withholding funds simply to spite the President.

If you can't see that, your blind.

 

House Democrats have passed funding bills but Mitch McConnell has refused to hold a Senate vote on them. Even if Trump vetoed the bill for lack of border wall funding, the Senate can override it. In addition, the Republicans controlled all three branches of government for 2 years and couldn't get border wall funding (to the tune of $25 billion), even when Democrats offered it in exchange for DACA protections. Trump has routinely demonstrated that he does not negotiate in good faith.

The border wall was also a mnemonic device crafted by campaign aides and advisers so that Trump would remember to discuss immigration. When he gained support for initially and artificially espousing a wall, he ran with it. He also stated that Mexico would directly pay for the wall during debates and campaign rallies and never mentioned that the U.S. taxpayer would fund it with the vague promise of Mexico indirectly repaying for it through trade deals, tariffs, etc. (which has been shown to not be able to fund the wall anyway).

Lastly, Trump himself said that he'd be proud to shut down the government, that he wouldn't blame the Democrats, and that he'd take the mantle for the shutdown. Based on his own words, is Trump a liar or unreliable?