Proof positive no plane flew over the Pentagon

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  1. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

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    The wings are pretty flimsy... You shouldn't expect to find them after the fact.

    A question for you would be, where is flight 77?
     
  2. Jango

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    That's what I was leading up to.

    As well...the damage to the building.

    What is 10,000 gallons of jet fuel converted to dynamite?

    So long as 1 cup of gasoline = 1 stick of dynamite

    1 cup of gasoline = 1 stick of dynamite
    16 cups per gallon
    10,000 gallons
    160,000 sticks of dynamite
     
  3. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

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    ??? Jet fuel is kerosene and I don't think you can convert it to dynamite which is nitroglycerine.

    Just kidding I assume you're referring to some kind of explosion rating for a force of explosion? Like the detonation velocity?

    If so a much smaller ammount of dynamite should offer a much stronger and more forceful explosion force, though I have no clue what ratio or rating. Kerosene isn't really explosive. It's highly combustible and flammible, hence why it makes good fuel, but wouldn't make a good shock wave.. IF that's what you're asking.. It can make a fireball however, that looks like an explosion.. That's because it all catches at once and suddenly like it's not meant to for a controlled burn for fuel but that won't be a strong shock wave... The flames though should be enough to char and singe things but not blast them with an actual strong punch like dynamite.

    The damage to the Pentagon results from the actual physical impact of the plane and the force its mass would exert on the building, with charred and flaming bits thanks to the incendiary nature of the fuel.

    Honestly like it looks like in the pictures.
     
  4. Jango

    Jango New Member

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    Yes, I was thinking of its, I guess, detonation force. I just find it odd that there isn't more of the plane to be found outside. You'd think that after having its wings folded back and exploding, that fragments of all sizes would be all over the place. And where are the engines? They went inside too?

    I feel ridiculous for asking, but were two engines recovered?


    And what about the automated defense systems? Were they incompetent on 9/11 too?
     
  5. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

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    To be honest I have no idea so I won't pretend otherwise.. The others may know and answer. I know they found enough bits and bats from the plane and unfortunately deceased passengers to conclude the crash happened there, but I'm not sure about the engines in particular.

    I have no idea what automated defense systems you're on about.. Like to shoot down a plane without even human control? Sounds a bit like skynet.. Even today's robotic war toys have human operation, albeit from a safe distance.
     
  6. happy fun dude

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    It's not really like that though. A stick of dynamite is designed to explode. A cup of fuel is designed to burn at a controlled steady rate. They are very different.

    This is actually a fun experiment you can try it home. Everybody try this: get a coffee mug full of gasoline and hold it in your hand while you light the liquid with a match.. You'll notice it makes a nice little flame.

    Now try grabbing a stick of dynamite and hold it in your hand, and light the fuse and see what happens.

    Record your results and we'll compare notes.








    (don't try this at home)
     
  7. Jango

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    Yes...automated is probably an exaggeration of its abilities, but the thought remains. That is, unless the Pentagon was missile defense system-less on 9/11, which seems suspect.
     
  8. Hannibal

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    You're aware that there's an airport really close to the Pentagon, and planes fly low over it every day?

    http://www.911myths.com/html/pentagon_missile_batteries.html
     
  9. Jango

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    Yes but IIRC, every military installation has anti-Air tech. Maybe not necessarily some fancy SAM site, but their is tech. And since the Pentagon is where all of the, well, top of the rank structure go for their important stuff or work, common sense says security is top notch, because at certain times, all of the eggs are literally in one basket. I bet their system would defend against other missiles even. I mean, are you really suggesting the Pentagon lacks air defense tech, like even stingers?
     
  10. Jango

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    What angle are you trying to play, Dave?

    I disputed the damage on the wall. If wings had slammed into the wall at five hundred miles an hour, 1) they would explode, 2) they would damage the wall, and 3) there would be a lot of plane debris outside.

    But a witness has said they folded back. Obviously there wasn't an explosion because had there been one, he wouldn't have seen the wings folding back if it only took a split second for the plane to bulldozer its way through the wall.

    I mean seriously, what's your angle? You act as if everything is just fine and dandy. Tell me, what was recovered out of the Pentagon?
     
  11. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    There is no air defense around the Pentagon. Not now. Not then. Why? Because less than a mile to the East is Reagan International Airport and the Pentagon is very close to the landing path of the airport. If you had an air defense system designed to shoot down planes, you would have a ton of accidents killing innocent people.

    The defense of the Pentagon is that the attack has to come from overseas and thus any threat can be intercepted before it gets close enough to the Pentagon. That was NEADS' job; watch for attacks coming in from overseas. If they saw an incomming unidentified threat, they could launch fighters and intercept the threat while it was still far out to sea. The threat was NOT expected to come in from the US.
     
  12. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    You still have the order of events wrong. The wings aren't going to hit the wall, explode and then fold back. The wings are going to hit the wall, fold back (thus rupturing the wing tanks) and then explode.
     
  13. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    Instead of guessing, why don't you look it up? You can convert just about any energy source to joules, a common measurement of energy.

    A gallon of kerosene = 142,200,000 joules. Source
    A stick of dynamite = 2,100,000 joules or ~ 0.015 (two ounces) of a gallon of kerosene Source

    There is enough energy in 10,000 gallons of kerosene to equal the energy output of 677,143 sticks of dynamite. There has to be a lot of stored energy in kerosene because it has to move a 150 ton plane through the air over a long distance. As HFD correctly pointed out, it is how the energy is released. One stick of dynamite can blow up a car. Take two ounces of kerosene and try to blow up a car. See the difference?
     
  14. Jango

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    Doesn't the wings start to explode, almost on contact, when they hit the south tower though?
     
  15. Jango

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    Thanks...and I did look up stuff...lol...and yes, I see the difference. What I'm driving at is why, if 10k worth of jet fuel exploded in a contained area, we didn't see damage consistent with that type of force. I imagine, had it been exposed to sunlight and the blue sky, there would have been a sizeable fireball of energy and destruction. But since that thing was contained, would it not have a lifting effect?
     
  16. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    Nope. Watch the video again. The plane enters the tower completely before it explodes.

    [video=youtube;ZG25MRnPy1o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG25MRnPy1o[/video]
     
  17. Phoebe Bump

    Phoebe Bump New Member

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    I'm not pretending there was a conspiracy. I have no clue what went down that day and neither do you. I just want an investigation and justice. 3000 people died and $3,000,000,000 worth of prime real estate was turned into talcum powder. You might have been duped that the 9/11 Commission investigated the matter, but you would be WRONG. Kissinger would have provided less of a cover-up than the 9/11 Commission.
     
  18. happy fun dude

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    The usual routine in this situation is Patriot911 will mention PENTTBOM, the FBI investigation. As far as I know this was the most laborious and expensive criminal investigation in the history of the world.

    As far as proper justice, EVERYONE should want that regardless what they think. That seems to be taking an unprecedented long time.
     
  19. LoneStrSt8

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    There WAS an investigation,and NOTHING was turned into 'talcum powder
     
  20. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    Don't try to lump me in with your ignorance. As HFD said, the 9/11 commission was NOT the investigation into 9/11. The 9/11 commission's job was to find out what went wrong and how to prevent similar events in the future. And you are most certainly pretending there is a conspiracy when you blatantly ignore the investigations that have happened in order to feign ignorance.
     
  21. Phoebe Bump

    Phoebe Bump New Member

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    Get over it, Dude. There was no investigation. And, no, I'm not pretending anything, althoug only a true believer in the righteousness of Dick Cheney would send the FBI to investigate the FBI.
     
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    Get over it yourself,there most certianly WAS an investigation,the fact that you don't like the results isn't their fault.

    And the veracity of the FBI was never in question.

    Well,except to truthers,maybe.
     
  23. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    :lol: I love it when truthers stick their fingers in their ears and scream LA LA LA LA LA at the top of their lungs when they read something they don't like. :lol: Get over yourself phoebe. You're not going to convince anyone of your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) when all they have to do is go out and look at the real world instead of your fantasy land.
     
  24. DDave

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    What angle are YOU trying to play, Jango? You act as if you you know nothing about the event with all of these questions about minute details then when someone answers you spout off a bunch of crap that you saw on an "expert" video or truther site that supposedly refutes it. If you already know, then why are you asking?

    Yes, yes, and yes. And if there aren't enough plane debris visible based on your years of experience as an aircraft crash scene investigator it proves that Bush and Cheney were behind the whole thing, right??

    Why wouldn't they explode AFTER they folded back?

    Look it up, truth seeker. I'm not your research assistant. You would just challenge my answers anyway. So why should I waste my time? If you REALLY want to know, go do some research.

    Try and avoid anything written by Griffin though. :mrgreen: Anti-aircraft defenses at the Pentagon right next to Reagan Airport. LOL Does that make any sort of sense to you??

    Never mind. I'm guessing it does. :roll:
     
  25. Jethro

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    The brainwashed few who believe the government lies regarding 9/11 should ask the question about the Pentagon....WHY WERE THE ROOF TOP MISSILES AND CAMERAS DE-ACTIVATED TO ALLOW THE EVENT TO HAPPEN? THIS BUILDING IS THE MOST HEAVILY GUARDED IN THE WORLD..EXCEPT OF COURSE FOR A SMALL WINDOW OF TIME TO ALLOW THE MISSILE TO HIT THE BUILDING! (all the evidence indicates it was not a Boeing 757 that hit the building)
    And why did the FBI seize all the tapes from surrounding businesses and buildings, and never made them public..probably destroyed them..why? They are obviously covering up for the government...
    Isn't it convenient that the official lies say 19 Arabs who could not fly small planes were able to do all that damage, in NYC too, and DEFEAT the trillion dollars air defence system...lol..what a crock of feces that is...it happened because the government/military let it happen!
     

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