Protests erupt over racism at Evergreen State College

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Sharpie, May 30, 2017.

  1. Space_Time

    Space_Time Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2015
    Messages:
    12,469
    Likes Received:
    1,972
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Here's more:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...lty-allies-at-the_us_59bebbc4e4b06b71800c3a9f


    Michael Zimmerman, Contributor
    Founder and Executive Director, The Clergy Letter Project
    Student Protestors And Their Faculty Allies At The Evergreen State College Win A Battle But Lose The War
    09/17/2017 03:02 pm ET Updated 5 hours ago

    150
    Four months have passed since the riots that brought The Evergreen State College to the attention of the world occurred and with the start of the academic year quickly approaching for the college it is well worth taking stock of where things currently stand.

    The most important question, it seems to me, is whether or not the learning environment for students has improved at Evergreen because of what transpired last spring and the aftermath this summer.

    What is absolutely clear is that the student protestors and their faculty supporters successfully achieved their main goals. From the outset the protesters wanted (at least) three members of the faculty and staff to leave their positions, preferably by being fired. (Will anyone ever forget the fervently aggressive chanting as students held the campus’s administration hostage: Hey, hey, ho, ho, racist faculty have got to go?)

    All three are no longer in the positions they filled during the spring and two are no longer employed by the college.

    Andrea Seabert Olsen was the student conduct officer, the person responsible for overseeing the student code of conduct. The protestors demanded that she be fired but provided only vague, if overly incendiary, reasons. “Seabert Olsen has shown a consistent often violent flaw in judgment when it pertains to the needs and safety of Black students, other students of color, Trans students, students with disabilities, students who have experienced sexual assault…. The students who are in the most danger in the current climate and culture of both the Evergreen campus and the United States do not view Seabert Olsen as a safe person to seek help from.” She’s no longer serving as the student conduct officer, a position she’s held for many years.

    Stacy Brown was Evergreen’s chief of police. Evergreen students wanted her fired because, well, because she was the chief of police. Indeed, there was a major demonstration at her swearing in ceremony this past January with students protesting the very idea of a chief of police and of policing in general.


    Stacy Brown
    After a number of them assaulted the vice president for student affairs during the aborted ceremony they were brought up on charges of violating the student code of conduct and had to deal with Andrea Seabert Olsen. Chief Brown no longer works at Evergreen having resigned from her position this past August because she did not believe that in the current climate she was able to do her job of protecting the campus community effectively.

    Bret Weinstein was a faculty member with expertise in evolutionary biology. He was also a vocal member of the faculty consistently calling for open debate and discussion about many issues including those centered on the campus’s “equity” initiative. Although his politics are well situated in the progressive portion of the spectrum,
    Bret Weinstein
    Weinstein’s insistence on discussion of complex faculty issues and his desire to be certain that policies ostensibly designed to help marginalized students actually help those students led to him being targeted by protestors and called both a racist and white supremacist by colleagues. The call for his firing was at the epicenter of the protests. After Chief Brown made it clear to Weinstein that his welfare was at risk if he appeared on campus and that she was not being permitted to protect him from student protestors, he was forced to teach off campus. Convinced that the college was not taking any actions to protect him, Weinstein took legal action against the college. A settlement was just reached that included a monetary payment to Weinstein coupled with his resignation.

    The protestors received a bonus in this case in that Heather Heying, Weinstein’s wife and also a faculty member at Evergreen, was included in the settlement. She too resigned from her position. And she too was declared to be a racist when she expressed displeasure with the administration for not permitting the police to protect her husband.

    So, in the absence of these four people, has the learning environment improved for Evergreen students? It’s difficult to see how one could reach such a conclusion. Weinstein and Heying were two of Evergreen’s most popular instructors and their offerings always had waiting lists of students hoping to enroll. Brown, herself a graduate of Evergreen, had hoped to bring an enhanced sense of community policing to the campus and to break down barriers between students and campus police. Seabert Olsen has worked tirelessly on campus assisting students in need while adjudicating complex cases. Beyond the campus, she’s devoted her life to helping disadvantaged and abused young women find a way to move forward successfully.

    While it is absolutely true that no one on a college campus is indispensable, it is difficult to see how the loss of these four individuals improves the Evergreen environment. Yes, some will say, indeed, some have said, that with their departures Evergreen has four fewer white supremacists in its midst. But those are people who seem to view anyone who disagrees with them as a white supremacist.

    Make no mistake about it, racism exists all around us and white supremacy has been and continues to be responsible for many terrible things. But, while Evergreen is far from perfect, pretending it is a hotbed of racism is both disingenuous and dangerous. Labelling virtually everyone as a white supremacist trivializes the concept and emboldens those who are the embodiment of white supremacy. Ta-Nehisi Coates, no apologist for the far right, made this point very clearly recently when explaining to Chris Hayes why Donald Trump but neither George W. Bush nor Mitt Romney should be considered a white supremacist. Disagreements about policy, about politics, and about tactics can be healthy – especially on college campuses.

    The departure of Weinstein and Heying from Evergreen has another critically important downside for the college and its students. The lesson to be learned by students, faculty and staff alike is that viewpoints differing from the loudest voices on campus will not be tolerated. Question those loud voices, or simply call for a discussion, and you will be shunned, attacked and ultimately ex-communicated.

    As one faculty member has written, “The scorched earth style of leadership by the college administration is disheartening for many of us.” When voices are lost, homogeneity increases and critical thinking, the hallmark of the liberal arts, is diminished.

    Four months later, what about the leaders of the protest? The answer to this question reinforces the lesson about the dangers of questioning the campus’s loudest voices. The student who played the largest role in the protest, the one who organized the taking of administrative hostages and who was seen patrolling the campus with a baseball bat, was rewarded for those efforts by being hired by Evergreen to serve as a “Presidential Equity Advisor” over the summer. The faculty member who was seen berating colleagues with foul language, who, on Facebook, asked “Could some white women from Evergreen come and collect Heather Heying’s racist ass,” and who regularly and publicly called Weinstein a racist, remains in her faculty position.

    As the new academic year begins at Evergreen, student protestors and their faculty allies got much of what they wanted – and the college has been weakened as a result. In addition to the losses outlined above, student numbers are significantly down leading to a major budgetary crisis. This is the classic case of winning a battle but losing the war.
     
    Seth Bullock likes this.
  2. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2016
    Messages:
    24,354
    Likes Received:
    10,858
    Trophy Points:
    113
  3. Space_Time

    Space_Time Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2015
    Messages:
    12,469
    Likes Received:
    1,972
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Here's more:

     
  4. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2015
    Messages:
    4,735
    Likes Received:
    2,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Judging by the level of literacy of the student trying to read the professor's letter, POC Talk should be a breathtakingly erudite. Not.
     
    PrincipleInvestment likes this.
  5. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2016
    Messages:
    24,354
    Likes Received:
    10,858
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You're not wrong, but I think the justice system is more than JUST institutional racism.

    The gaze of LE is over-focused on the poor and colorful to be sure, however. :(
     
  6. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2016
    Messages:
    24,354
    Likes Received:
    10,858
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm okay with this.

    I don't expect a review of My Fair Lady in the sports section, or box scores in the Sunday arts magazine. :)
     
  7. Space_Time

    Space_Time Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2015
    Messages:
    12,469
    Likes Received:
    1,972
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Here's more:

     
  8. zbr6

    zbr6 Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2013
    Messages:
    12,880
    Likes Received:
    7,355
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Every single White student on the campus should file a class action law suit and drain every penny that cesspool "college" has in the hopes it will be shut down.

    *******s like those liberals are the only surviving example of institutional racist left in America and they need to be eradicated out by our legal system.
     
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2018
  9. Space_Time

    Space_Time Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2015
    Messages:
    12,469
    Likes Received:
    1,972
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Here's more:

     
    Last edited: May 16, 2018
  10. superbadbrutha

    superbadbrutha Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    52,269
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Actually the only surviving example of institutional racism in this country is the Justice System.
     
  11. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2008
    Messages:
    18,998
    Likes Received:
    3,612
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There is no evidence of this and it is false.

    Personal experiences do no constiute evidence as they are anecdotal which is how we know and can prove that there is no evidence of institutional racism and the entire concept is ideological and nothing more.
     
    glitch likes this.
  12. TrackerSam

    TrackerSam Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2015
    Messages:
    12,114
    Likes Received:
    5,379
    Trophy Points:
    113
    She has to speak in a manner that will be understood by her audience.
     
  13. superbadbrutha

    superbadbrutha Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    52,269
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    There is plenty of evidence and the lie is you want to us it's false.

    Whites commit 69% of crimes, they only make up 34% of those incarcerated.

    Blacks commit 28% of crimes and yet make up 44% of those incarcerated.
     
  14. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2008
    Messages:
    18,998
    Likes Received:
    3,612
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I stated facts while you made up stats.

    There is no evidence no matte how many fictitious stats you dream up
     
  15. superbadbrutha

    superbadbrutha Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    52,269
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
  16. superbadbrutha

    superbadbrutha Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    52,269
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
  17. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2008
    Messages:
    18,998
    Likes Received:
    3,612
    Trophy Points:
    113
  18. superbadbrutha

    superbadbrutha Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    52,269
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How many people have been convicted of a crime, but were never arrested?
     
  19. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2008
    Messages:
    18,998
    Likes Received:
    3,612
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Irrelevant.

    Many people arrested never get convicted or incarcerated.


    Another nice failure however
     
  20. superbadbrutha

    superbadbrutha Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    52,269
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That's part of the problem genius.
     
  21. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2008
    Messages:
    18,998
    Likes Received:
    3,612
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No it is not actually as arrest should not automatically lead to conviction.

    However it does show a complete lack of evidence for your original claim.

    Including your completely dreamed up stats.
     
  22. superbadbrutha

    superbadbrutha Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    52,269
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I didn't claim it should.

    Whites are given probation and parole at much higher rates than black folks are and they are also not charged at the same rates for the same crimes as black folks are. Now dream that up.
     
  23. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2008
    Messages:
    55,099
    Likes Received:
    13,310
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Same old nonsense. Have some TRUTH which, of course, will be ignored/denied by the local race baiters, sadly...I see the same old OBVIOUS DISPARITY in murders, for example.



    The statistics show that the 500 killings of white people attributed to blacks last year were the most since black perpetrators were determined to be responsible for the homicides of 504 white people nationwide in 2008. Last year's total was up 12 percent from the 446 recorded in 2014 and 22 percent from the 409 seen in 2013, a year that saw the lowest total this century and one that capped seven years of general declines in black-on-white homicides. Prior to that, 2006 saw the most black-on-white killings since 2001, with 573.


    The 229 black lives taken by white killers last year, however, marked an even larger leap from 2014, jumping more than 22 percent from the 187 black victims killed by whites that year, which was the second-lowest total since 2001. The tally was last exceeded in 2008, when 230 blacks were slain by whites. The highest total in the last 15 years came in 2007, when 245 black people were killed by whites.

    black vs whire sross racial murder.png




    https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers



    Der....umm....duh....


    race card stop it.jpg
     
    Last edited: May 17, 2018
    glitch likes this.
  24. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,528
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yeah? What's the percentage of murder that they commit?
     
  25. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2008
    Messages:
    55,099
    Likes Received:
    13,310
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Bullshit. "Arrested" =/= "convicted" or "committed", and every crime does not result in imprisonment...
     

Share This Page