Putin allowed to stay in power past 2024

Lying about what I've posted I see.

 

I love it when all these so-called Russian experts make asinine comments about the country they've never set foot in.......

It's quite pathetic.

 

I've made no claim to being a "Russian expert".

 

Thank you for your sensible post, I understand and like it.

Id like to think my point of view is that of an outsider, I am no American, but I can have a prejudice against Russia, as my countrymen did cross paths with Russians, numerous times often in disagreement of interests. Little of my life has been affected by US policies, and it was for the better.

I have no desire to pick a side, but it would be obvious if I did.

I don't think it's the place or time to bash the US, I often do if I feel there is a need, but this a thread about Putin more or less.

I don't disagree with all your statements, but your deflection is duly noted.

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Early 1990s Sobchak (center) and his two most famous nominees - Chubais and Putin.

 

Have you read the post you're trying to defend?

Jazz quotes from a website that mentions "the demonic standards of the Judaic mindset" as a matter of fact, undeniable truth.

Let's try an exercise. Suppose I, or @Dayton3, write posts about the demonic standards of the Islamic/Arab mindset, or - to keep on topic - the demonic standards of the Russian mindset. See what it does to you. While I'm quite sure someone who holds the constitutional rights and essential individual freedoms above anything else. like you do, would defend other people's right to express their opinions, would you defend the opinions themselves?

Not liking one poster's ideas is not a good reason to automatically defend another poster's drivel. Unless you agree with said drivel, of course. Do you?

 

Now you are Projecting your issues onto others. I told you exactly what you did - you accused someone of Holocaust denial who had not done so.

Your ability to correct and respond is so pathetic - you twirl around and scream "Liar Liar" - at the person who pointed out your error.

 

It's obvious you know little about Russia and Putin but you act like you're an expert.....that's the point. If you had ever been to Russia recently and knew the history of Russia.....as opposed to lapping up cold war propaganda and still thinking this is the late 1960's.....then you'd have a different perspective than what you parrot.

I just got back from Moscow 5 days ago.....FYI in case you want to brand me as a commie spy.

 

Look - I was not defending anything in the post - what I was defending was the desire to rid the world of mindless fallacious gibberish.

A false accusation - aka "Strawman" - is still a false accusation - regardless of whether it is leveled at a good person - or a bad person.

The second - and more important point - is that bad people can sometimes do good things - but further - not all of Nazi-ism was Bad.

The Objective person does not do the generalization fallacy - "All things NAZI are necessarily bad" - and if one points out something good that happened under the Nazi's - one is automatically a "Holocaust Denier" - "Putin Supporter" and so on .

There are those that go around with this above as the basis for argument - despite having this fallacy pointed out.

What was interesting in this case - is that when I pointed out the above fallacy - not only did the poster then target me - another then chimed in.

This is interesting from the perspective of human behavior - sad commentary to be sure - but interesting.

 

That's close enough to being a holocaust denier to make you one whether you openly stated it or not.

If you will openly post that the Nazis did in fact murder 6 million Jews and about 5 million non Jews without any caveats, explanations, or any kind of excuses for their actions, and without pointing out bad things that other nations have done....and then list the things about Nazi-ism that was "not bad" then I will apologize and retract my statement regarding you.

 

The German Economy did well under the Nazi's - prior to the Extermination of the Jews.

Stating a Historical Fact - does not make one close to being a Holocaust denier. How a "History Teacher" could not know this - I don't understand. How you don't understand basic fallacy - is another of your issues.

It is beyond sad commentary that someone who can not understand the basic generalization fallacy - was a History Teacher.

 

You have any evidence that the German economy doing well had anything at all to do with the Nazis?

 

Well that's total bullshit. That's part of the holocaust most widely misunderstood.

Almost 6 million Jews died, which included over 1 million Russian Jews in that number.
Almost 2 million Polish non-Jews died.
9 million non-jew Russians died.

So if you really want to go there (including other nationalities that died in the camps), almost exactly twice as many non-jews died in the camps as jews did. 12 million. That's a fact few understand.

And while we're on the topic, right at 12-13 million MORE non-jew Russian civilians died (not in camps during the war), for a total of right at 25 million Russian deaths.

If not for the Russians, Europe in its entirety and possibly the U.K would be speaking German today. Show some ****ing respect.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust

 

Everyone knows the staggering high price the Russians paid to defeat Nazi Germany.

 

It doesn't matter - even if there were no evidence - this does not change the fact that someone claiming " the German Economy did well under Hitler" does not make one a Holocaust denier.

Why is this so difficult to understand ? - you are having serious mental blockage with this one.

 

Because if you are digging deep, casting frantically about to find something good to say about the Nazis, the natural inference is that you would prefer not to dwell on what was their greatest and most horrific crime, the Holocaust.

Saying "well, the German economy did well under the Nazis" is like asking Mary Todd Lincoln "but Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?"

 

Apparently not. You had no idea that 50% more non-Jew Russians died in the camps as did Jews.

Are you a Russian Holocaust denier???

 

Of course I knew that. The Nazis sought to exterminate the Russian populations to produce "living space" for Germans. Pretty sure Hitler himself wrote about this in Mein Kampf (IIRC, it has been many years since I read any of it).

 

First off - you are one to talk - w/r to apologizing for atrocity. You think befriending Death Squad dictators and training their soldiers in terror is fine .. "so long as they are our bad guys"

Second - Communist China has done wonders with their economy - One does not need to dig deep to figure that one out. Stating this obvious fact - does not make one a sympathizer for all the other nasty stuff.

Get a grip.

 

So are you claiming to be some Russia "expert"? And I don't mean knowing where all the exotic car dealerships are located in Moscow? Unless your some Russki teenage troll in some Moscow basement that is, claiming to be from Baytown, Texas is it?

I kinda find it strange that many if not all posters or "trolls" claim to be from TX or FLA on this forum.)

 

I think Hitler did write it.....and if Stalin read it, that should have raised red flags for him. Stalin was a fool if he didn't think Hitler was serious.

 

LoL....more vatniks died in WW2 from catastrophic equipment failures, desertions, mass executions by NKVD for cowardice for refusing to fight the Germans, and whatever calamity there was.

You're forgetting that there was many Ukies used for cannon fodder after Krauts retreated in late 43 onwards. So goes the colossal myth of "Great Patriotic War" which was a cruel lie the same lines as "Arbeit Macht Frei"....LOL.

 

If not for USA.....most Russkis would've been lampshades in German living rooms.

Some appreciation for the massive lend lease. But what did the world see.....massive parades in Red Square of how "WE" the Docs defeated Germany.

 

No....to the contrary, you just don't like what you're hearing /seeing and seems you don't like being challenged..

 

I was not the one butting into a conversation - twirling around in a name calling frenzy.

You are correct however, that I find your condition challenging.

 

Russians did appreciate it.....as they still use Sherman tanks in their parades.....but you don't appreciate **** because you're a Ukie with a Russian burr up your ass.

If the roles were reversed, and Hitler invaded the U.S. and the U.S. suffered 25 million deaths and drove Hitler back to Berlin...liberated the bulk of Europe....liberated the Jews in the concentration camps but but but Russia lent the U.S. some tanks and spam and lost about 350K troops.....then Russia claimed they beat Hitler.....yeah, I beat you'd have a different attitude....but you're a Ukie soooo...not.