Putin brags Russia's new hypersonic missiles 'can wipe out US cities' sparking WW3 fears

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    Dude .. we do not have Champ deployed for use against a full scale nuclear attack .. so yes . . your point is mute.

    Good to hear about Boeing .. I worked for GE and it was the reverse - doesn't give a sht about the people .. its all "shareholders" .. thats all you ever hear .. gotta make the numbers "for theshareholders" ..do this and to that .. for the shareholers .. even when what they are doing is against the best interest of the shareholders. Mind boggling bureauracy .. we would call it "GIL" GE induced Labor. .. you were always like .. if GE would just get out of the way -- could get some work done. Just too big .. too diverse .. light bulbs. turbins - chemicals .. Water - Medical .. coffee pots and fridges .. would get these templates come down that didn't fit your business .. square peg in round hole .. and when you brought it up ... "Keep Pounding" .. OK full steam ahead .. right o --- ..
     
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    The USSR had a border conflict (not a war) with China after the death of Comrade Stalin. If you even primitively know the history of the USSR, then you know that after Khrushchev came to power, there was no socialism in the USSR.
    The main feature of socialism is the dictatorship of the proletariat. Khrushchev canceled this provision
    The second main sign is the absence of surplus value - after Khrushchev came to power, reforms were carried out by Kosygin-Lieberman, where the postulate of the rate of profit was established, that is, surplus value .... etc.
    That is, after Khrushchev came to power, the USSR ceased to be a socialist country in fact.
    Therefore, your assertion that the two socialist countries (the USSR and China) fought are not consistent.
    You can say that the name of the USSR indicates a socialist form of government, but this does not mean anything.
    For example, the times of Hitler, the name of Germany did not contain the word "Fascist Republic", but in fact there was fascism in Germany.
    Also, for example, as today a fascist dictatorship has been established in the United States, but all the media say that power in the United States is in the hands of the Democrats.
    Therefore, do not confuse the name with reality.
    As for the border conflict between China and Vietnam, I indicated this above.
    And, if you want to look not biased, you can compare how many wars were between capitalist and how many wars were between socialist countries. I'm afraid the comparison will clearly not be in your favor.
     
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    At this moment... other than for President Donald J. Trump I have no idea who could replace Biden rapidly.......

    and defeat the Bill Gates plan for Depopulation that he has been quite open about in public videos that are easily found on youtube.

    The fact that Pfizer has a monopoly in Israel sets up nine point three million Israelis in a very special way.....

    An interesting trend may be the key to organizing resistance against Bill Gates's plans for depopulation......

    ..... "Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

    But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers." (Jeremiah 16:14)

    After the seventeen minute mark in this video is a prediction of an Exodus of USA Jews up to Canada before many of them make full fledged Aliyah to Israel.

    Why would the G-d of Abraham want to move many USA Jews further north before they make Aliyah to Israel???? Could it be just so that these events would then fit better with Jeremiah chapter sixteen verse fourteen??????

     
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    10 times more powerful. Not 10 times more destructive.
     
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    If there are any substantial numbers of Americans who survive a nuclear attack and return then the U.S. has not been "wiped out".

    Back in the late 1970s and early 1980s when Russian (Soviet) nuclear arsenals were far larger than they are today it was estimated that an all out nuclear attack on the U.S. mainland would kill about 100 million Americans.

    Guess what, American population today is around 340 million. So if 100 million Americans were killed that leaves a population of 240 million. Which was about what the U.S. population was back in 1990.

    Thus by any reasonable measure, the United States has NOT been "wiped out".
     
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    Nit picking over nonsense .. 3000 is enough to nuke the US into obvliion.... you want to quibble over whether or not 200 is enouth to do it.

    Worry not mate .. 3000 nukes and the US is wasteland .. completely destoyed - and unihabitable for at least 15 years .. before you would even think of setting foot here.

    Your defense has been laughable .. "Hiroshima" was a horrible example .. other than even from this you should be able to figure out that if the equivalent of 1500 megatons was dropped on the US (using a average of 0.5 megatons per bomb) - is the equivalent of 200,000 hiroshima's

    There is a difference between 1 Hiroshima - and 200,000 mate and in the 200,000 case it is much worse in terms of radioactive contaminatio due to many groundbursts done to increase the contamination .. cause Russia was really pissed :)

    Your claim was false .. Russia has the capability to "wipe out" the US .. now go apologize to that poster for your rude and false calling them a liar.
     
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    LOL .. your definition of "wiped out" is laughable and nonsensical. Everyone could survive .. but if everything was destroyed .. a nation is still "Wiped out" if it will not return back to former glory in a reasonable period of time.

    1) what do you consider substantial numbers - and how do you figure this many will survive a full scale attack.
    2) How long will it take this number to rebuild given these Refugees will not be able to set foot on US soil for at least 15 years.
    3) What percent of those that do survive will opt to return to the radioactive apocalyptic wasteland they used to call home
    4) Now calculate how long to rebuild everything ..
     
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    3,000 nuclear weapons hit the U.S. and the town I live in nor any of those around it won't even be "wiped out"
     
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    What makes you think that?
     
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    So you think members of Congress are appointed by the "ruling class"? Really? I vote. You might want to look into that.
     
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    Do you have any examples of this? I never saw America send another country to war. From Indo-China to Cuba we've seen the Communists do so.
     
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    Sorry, CHAMP is fully deployed all over the world. Heck, it fits under the wings of aircraft like an F-16. Its no harder to deploy than similar wing stores.

    I'm sorry you had such a horrible time in your workplaces. I've had just the opposite. As an example... Boeing. They are great with profit sharing, and they have a heart. One of my colleagues quit Boeing to join a startup. It didn't work out and he found himself unemployed with a new baby that had special needs. Boeing brought him back at his old salary with special benefit considerations for his child. They are a great company. Although everyone realizes that treating your employees gets you the best employees... and lots of loyalty.
     
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    I love all that poli sci gobbledeygook about the "dictatorship of the proletariat" and the "absence of surplus value"... LOL.... silly catch phrases for books in the library and students to memorize without having a clue. In the REAL WORLD where taxpayers live, socialism is simply ripping off taxpayers to give free stuff to bums. One of the greatest examples of how socialism does NOT WORK was the final days of the old Soviet FIVE YEAR PLANS. The Command Economy was failing and people were starving. So, in desperation, the Soviets gave 5% of the land to the farmers who worked it. That 5% outproduced the other 95% in short order. When the farmers could reap the fruits of their own labor and make a profit they worked hard. Without that incentive they just sat around drinking vodka.
     
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    Comrade Stalin died on March 5, 1953
    The USSR border conflict with China was in 1969, so technically you are right, the conflict started after Comrade Stalin death. If you will say that Jan 6 insurrection started after Comrade Stalin death - you will be technically right too.

    Now a little about the socialism - you sound like you are a socialism hater.
    What was the difference between Stalin's socialism and Khrushchev socialism?
    The economical system stayed the same, the means of production still were own by the government, the only difference, under Khrushchev the socialist opposition - real and imagine - were not killed immediately. The legal branch got a little (in fact very little) independence.

    So calling the USSR system under Stalin as 'socialism' and under Khrushchev "not socialism' - means socialism is a system were the means of production belong to a state and the communist party has the ultimate power over legislative and judicial agencies.

    The discussion if USSR under Khrushchev was socialist or not, the discussion if USSR under Stalin was socialist or not is a semantic discussion proper for fundamentalists communists. I am not communist, for me a socialist country is a country where:
    1. Means of production belong to a government
    2. Only communist party rules without any regard to the wishes of it citizens

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    Well the battle Brooklyn was an important event in the revolutionary war and the battle at the Alamo was a famous event in the war for Texas independence. I guess those aren't recent enough for you. He must have been in the military like I was. I had a peek at war myself and none of it occurred in my state.
     
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    What part of "Not for ICBM's" is not sinking in .. your dreaming .. presenting fantasy as reality -

    You can't launch a missile from an F-16 at an ICBM --- need a big missile .. and this is nonsense anyway .. as countermeasures are vast.

    Never been tested against - not even intended for an ICBM -- What is the range of the longest missile fired from an F-16 .. do the math .. doesn't work .. and electronic countermeasures are not exactly some thing new .. which is what this weapon is -- but not nearly as great as the wet dream .. and never battle tested against the consortia ..
     
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    Napoleon III said very accurately - "It is important not how they vote, but how they count." He said it after another plebiscite in France.
    You can vote as much as you like, but whoever the ruling class chooses wins.
    Especially considering the fact that the electoral system in the United States is actually a system of the times of a slave society.
     
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    For example the financing of Hitler.
     
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    <COMMENTS EDITED>The USSR until its collapse was the second economy in the world. Despite the fact that after Khrushchev came to power, socialism in the USSR began to curtail.
    Today, China, which, according to their government's assurances, took as a basis the structure of the Stalinist economy, has become the second largest economy in the world. And according to PPP (purchasing power parity) today, China is the first world economy. China has overtaken the US in PPP.
    And if we compare the achievements of the USSR under socialism and the achievements under modern capitalist Russia, then modern Russia loses on all counts with a devastating score.
     
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    You are absolutely wrong. It will take a long time to explain this. But I will give you a link to download an economic study on the economic miracle in the USSR during the days of Comrade Stalin. The book is in Russian, but you can use a translator. The download is officially free. https://crystalbook.ru/
    The authors of the book are economists and rely on archival documents. Nothing is invented. Just the facts.
     
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    Told you already .. Castle Bravo - 1 bomb - 7500 square miles contaminated. .. 400 x this amount and you have .the entire continental US .. which is where the 200 number comes from as 400 is way overkill. Some of the Marshall Islands were still had " unihabitable" levels of radiation - 15 years later.

    but we are not talking 200 bombs - or 400 - we are talking 3000 .. and while these are not as big as Bravo - it is not "Exponential" as you said .. nor is it linear ... which may be what you were trying to say .. meaning 2 or 3 small bombs will conver the same area pollution wise .. as the big one... -- and its everywhere .. not just here and there and maybe we can find a good spot .. there are highs and lows .. but its all bad.

    So .. start calculating - and show your work like I have... so far you are speaking in generalities .. "Substantial " ?? what does that mean in context .. and justify your claim.. and really .. would you come back ? .. where is the capital coming from to rebuild .. Santa ? 15 years down the road

    You seem to have no conception of the scale - hundreds of millions of people are going to be stuck - in place - can't go outside - for at least a month - before outdoors is safe .. no power - no communications - hope its not winter in a northern region - "No drinking water"

    A person can go a long while without food .. how long can they go without drinkable water .. and then tell me how many are going to drink the poisoned water - cause they will die otherwise..

    At my house - you will be fine .. cause I know how to take that nasty stuff out of the water - but .. very few know how to do this .. and never been done on a commercial scale.
     
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    It could happen some time after the winter olympics. It won't be hard for them. I wouldn't expect much resistance. Certainly none from the U.S.
     
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    So you cannot explain why USSR under Stalin was a socialist country and why under Khrushchev it was not?
    Albert Einstein said: If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.

    I have no doubt that during Comrade Stalin years many world economic records were set. During Comrade Stalin years the USSR was a big prison with millions of slaves - they worked for the basic food only. For example White Sea–Baltic Canal was built by gulag inmates in about 3 years by labor force of 126,000, between 12,000 and 25,000 laborers died according to official records:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Sea–Baltic_Canal

    During Comrade Stalin regime another world economic record was set - in 1931–1933 Comrade Stalin starved to death 4 to 7 million Ukrainians and Kazakh, while exporting food to the Western countries:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_famine_of_1931–1933

    Do you know that members of Kolkhoz were practically slaves who had no right to move to other places?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkhoz#Kolkhoz_conditions_in_the_Stalin_period

    I suggest you to read more about socialism and Comrade Stalin, I recommend you will start with "Gulag: A History" by Anne Applebaum.
     
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    Ahahaha :roflol::roflol::roflol:..... are you linking to wikipedia? ... Ahahaha :roflol::roflol::roflol:.... Do you study the history of France from the novel "The Three Musketeers"?
    Show me at least one real proof of the "bloody GULAG". Once again - show at least one REAL proof, but not links to the fantastic stories of Solzhenitsyn and the like.
    If you do not have such evidence, then you can tell about the concentration camps for US citizens, created by the US government or how American doctors deliberately infected Peruvians with syphilis, you can also tell about the Indians and the virus-laden blankets that were distributed to the Native Americans.
    And of course you can talk about the only use of nuclear weapons against civilians in the history of mankind.
     
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    You obviously don't understand CHAMP technology. CHAMP is NOT a kinetic energy weapon. It does not go BOOM. It sets up a magnetic field... that induces current in tiny microcircuits which fries them like an old fashioned fuse used to melt when overloaded. It sets up a field (which is programmable for size) of many kilometers. It doesn't "hit" anything. It simply renders the incoming missile guidance systems inoperable. The complex microcircuitry of any nukes onboard are rendered inoperable in the same way.
     

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