Putin Launches "War On US Shale" After Dumping MbS & Breaking Up OPEC+

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  1. scarlet witch

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    mmm... all this dancing on shales' grave, you have to remember.... during a crisis the money leaves emerging markets and comes back to developed markets.
     
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    So which does the "Scarlet Witch" wish us to consider to be the "merging market" ?
    and which does the "Starlet Witch" wish us to consider to be the "developed market" ?
    .........................................-..... & which Witch is which ?
    ........................................ Vladmir Putin & the King of Arabia,
    ...................................................... both want to know
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well you know, the usual suspects E.. it's hardly up to me. What I'm saying is that there are countries down the economic development line that are going to be doing it extremely tough... far tougher than the US even if shale companies buckle under the debt burden. People are going to suffer, alot.
     
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    That is too TRUE - that is why I think it wise if these Fools who are celebrating Cheap Gasoline would WISE Up
    Venezuela, Iran, Nigeria, Canada, USA, Norway, Libya, (the list goes on & on) will all be hit hard
    It is creating a World Wide financial Crisis, during a World Wide catastrophic Epidemic

    But like the adage
    some fat old PIG once said, and the Psychopaths we allow to Lead us, have since adopted
    .......................................................................... "Never Let a Good Crisis go to Waste"
    ...... .................................................. [​IMG]
    ....................................................... . I feel sure they will have plans in place to cover ANY eventuality
     
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    Anybody trying to kill the US shale oil industry is about six years too late. The investments have been made and the infrastructure is in place. Any stoppage due to low oil prices can easily be restarted again when they inevitably go back up.

    The tiny Russian economy doesn't have the clout pull this sort of thing off and cheap oil is going to hurt them as well.
     
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    You haven't been paying attention have you "throck220" - Haven't YOU read the W.S Journal, Forbes,
    or Fortune lately ? -- Where YOU been ? - under a rock ?

    "The investments have all been made and the infrastructure is all in place"
    .......................................................................... but it's NOT paid for ! - rock

    J
    ust that ONE critical issue is enough to throw a wrench into the gears when It has NO Place to go -
    It's all Leveraged, from the Banks. And you know what they say about these cranky Banksters
    "Owe them a Thousand Dollars you worry about it - Owe them Multiple Billions and they worry about it"

    .................................................................................................................................................. & boy are they worried.

    The Fracking US Shale Oil Industry is not looking at a stoppage or a rationalization, here
    They are staring a total default and Bankruptcy in the face. And the Banks who financed them
    ................. .. who are now are facing Insolvency are lining up at the FED looking for a Bail Out

    This during a time when Air Lines, Cruze Ship Companies, etc etc., are all facing Bankrupcy !
    due to the shuttering and closure of the World Economy because of the announced Pandemic

    All the usual corporate PIGs are at tough Oinking and begging for a FED Bail Out.
    All thiis while Joe Shmoe is being sent home from work and will no longer be able to pay his Mortgage
    ......................................................................................... Ain't nobody going to Bail that poor shmuck Out
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    Pay Attention this time !
    Putin Unleashes Strategic Hell on the U.S.
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/54018.htm
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    Yah - YOU keep telling YOURSELF that ! - Say it over and over again. I am sure that given
    YOUR sense of Exceptional American Entitlement YOU will be able to convince YOURSELF.
    .................................................................................................................... We are the best - There is nO Problem

    ............ Just be sure to keep the sand out of YOUR ears - They say it can get into the Brain
    ..................................................... [​IMG]

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    Global Economic Collapse -
    Mad Max World Scenario - NWO - One Global Currency!!

     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope I don't think it will be Mad Max... but we're definitely going to see something else. Think the world is going to be flipped right way back up again... after spending the last couple of decades upside down.
     
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    The shale industry has been self destructing since inception - never made money in 11 years - and now in a huge amount of debt. Investors had been refusing to put more good money after bad for a couple years .. ramping up in 2019 and was collapsing prior to Corona.

    It was a well time strike - and that was all it took - the industry was crushed - Occidental went from a company worth 80 Billion to a company worth 16 Billion - in one day. It was a knock-out punch. The company is now worth 10 Billion - and has 70 Billion in debt.

    Shale oil needs 70 dollar oil to have any hope to be in the black.
     
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    Brent Crude March 31 3:00 PM- $22.71
    Well Witch n' Rock......-------------------------.....--------------------................................................... [​IMG]
    Seems like that anemic Russian Economy was more that a match for the Bully Ass American tactics
    as the - American Fracking Industry - is not only brought down to its knees, but has all of its Chicklets
    ................................................................................................................................................................................ Kicked Out of its Face ! [​IMG]


    Indeed Putin seems more than capable
    of retaliating to Frump's Bullying. - As Frump's Nord Stream Sanctioning seems to have
    ...................................................................................................................................................................................... badly backfired

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    Trump Wants To Talk
    .


    Read Full Article:
    https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2020/03/trump-wants-to-talk.html

    From The Article:
    With Putin. Sure, I agree with him--dialog is good. As Ria reports (in Russian) the topics of upcoming
    phone call will be Covid-19, trade (???) and, you guessed it, oil prices. Yes, about that. My question,
    immediately, is--so what's on offer from Trump? This is how it works, quid-pro-quo--you want some-
    -thing, you offer something in return. Especially when your hand is extremely weak, and I mean very

    .................................................................................................................................................................................................... weak:

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    Trump (with hat in hand), Putin ( with broad smile )
    Will Discuss The End Of U.S. Shale Oil

    Read Full Article:
    https://www.moonofalabama.org/

    From The Article:
    Russia rejected a new OPEC cut. It wants to keep its production up and it will use the crisis to further
    undermine U.S. oil fracking production. As the whole fracking boom in the U.S. is build
    on fraud the
    move might well be successful.....
    Russia does not have a budget deficit and is well positioned to
    survive lower crude oil prices without much damage. Saudi Arabia is not.

    &
    The only solution will be a shut down of the more expensive oil fields. Canada and Brazil are already
    doing it. U.S. shale producers who are bleeding cash will now have to follow.
    That is clearly what Russia wants:

    &
    As soon as U.S. shale leaves the market, prices will rebound and could reach $60 a barrel,
    Rosneft’s Igor Sechin said recently. As fate would have it, in what many would have until recently
    considered an impossible scenario, a lot of U.S. shale might do just that.

    Breakeven prices for U.S. shale basins range between $39 and $48 a barrel, according to data
    compiled by Reuters. Meanwhile, West Texas Intermediate (WTI) is trading below $25 a barrel
    and has been for over a week now.

    &
    Trump, who sanctioned the Russian-German Nord-Stream II pipeline while telling Germany to buy
    U.S. shale gas, is now in a quite bad negotiation position. Russia does not need a new OPEC deal
    right now. It has many financial reserves and can live with low oil prices for much longer than
    the
    Saudis
    and other oil producing countries.
    &
    The White House is now concerned that it will completely lose its beloved shale oil industry and
    all the jobs connected to it.

    Russia of cause knows this and a few days ago it made an interesting offer:
    We now learn that Trump is ready to talk about that or other concepts:
    &
    But what strategic offer could Trump make that would move Putin to agree to some new deal?
    Ukraine? - Russia is not interested in that unrulable, bankrupt and fascist infested entity.
    Syria? - The Zionist billionaires would stop their donations to Trump if he would give up on
    destroying it.
    Joining an OPEC++ deal and limit U.S. oil production? That would be an anti-
    American intervention in free markets and Congress would never agree to it.

    &
    And what reason has Russia to believe that Trump or his successor would stick to any deal?
    As the U.S. is non-agreement-capable it has none.
    The outcome of the phone call will therefore likely be nothing.

    &
    The carnage in the oil markets will continue and will ravage those producer countries
    (such as USofA ) that need every penny while the corona virus is ravaging their people.
    Meanwhile
    the U.S. shale market will go bust.


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    The US Is Set To Lose Its Spot As World’s Top Oil Producer
    And It ‘Doesn’t Have A Lot Of Tools’ To Do Anything About It


    Read Full Article:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/cor...-lose-top-oil-producer-title-yergin-says.html

    From The Article:
    The U.S. is all but guaranteed to lose its hard-earned spot as the world’s number one oil producer
    this year amid the recent price crash, vanishing demand and a plunge in capital investment, energy
    experts say.

    That could mean potentially enormous implications for U.S. foreign policy, as administrations
    have for decades viewed energy security and national security as being inexorably tied.


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    $1.49 gasoline this week. This won't last long. Get it while it's hot, folks! :banana:
     
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    Must be a NEW HOT Shipment in
    of some of our Favorite GOOD greasy
    Junk - Our GAS - At cut-rate Russian
    ................................................. Prices ! [​IMG]

    [​IMG] ....[​IMG]

    .
     
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    Lol...yeah they got us right where they want us. Russia's hopelessly dependent on oil, and they were a second rate power when the stuff was $80/barrel. Now it's $20.

    My only concern is my fellow industry employees here in Houston. Shell is an operator, so we're in much vulnerable to the drop in prices, but I have friends at Halliburton who have been furloughed. I also know a couple other services companies are going through a rough patch.
     
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    Why? I'm sitting home all day? ;)
     
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    Oh, I'm sorry. You must be one of those newly-dubbed nonessential people? Check's in the mail....hopefully.
     
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    Direct deposit from Social Security. :angel:
     
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    Not sure where you were getting your number from but US BBL prices is hovering around $20, and Brent is $22 today.
     
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    Well knowing
    that - Putin started this Dust Up and all Indications are, :boxing:
    ............................................................ He is quiet capable of Finishing it I
    ................................................................................................................. [​IMG]
    You have NOT been paying attention have you .. ROCKY ? :)
    ................. Putin is sitting on a Mountain of GOLD & NO Dept
    ............................................................. and a recently Diversified Economy

    .............. And WHAT is the American Economy SITTING ON ?
    .............. A Mountain of Dept & an Economic SHUT-OWN !

    ......................................................... And Trillion$ of Dollars in Bail-Out Paper
    ........................................................................ [​IMG]
    .....................................................................What Ever Will TRUMP Do ?
    ..........................................................Why He'll have to Pass The $Buck :icon_shithappens: :fart:

    Review this and other Analysis LINKED to !
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    PUTIN Unleashes Strategic Hell On The US

    Because if there was ever a moment where Putin and Russia could inflict maximum pain
    on the United States via its Achilles’ heel, the financial markets and its unquenchable thirst
    for debt, it was this month just as the coronavirus was reaching its shores.


    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/03/15/putin-unleashes-strategic-hell-on-us/
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    For all YOUR Ridicule of Russki machinations & prognostications of Putin's Failure
    Their plans regarding the Welfare of YOUR Oily Friends certainly seems to be on
    .................................................................................................................................................... right on the Money :)
    .................................................................................................................................................. [​IMG]

    .

    And the NUTS in this TREE hop around, celebrating their CHEAP GAS not seeming to realize
    that it is THEIR expensive GAS at Cut-Rate Russian Price$ [​IMG]


     
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    Ea, I appreciate your glee....disagree with some of what you say, agree with others... I'm concerned with other matters right now... so you're going to have to party on your own.
     
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    Any Glee I may feel, at the discomfort of Goons & Bullies, is tempered with a Sadness
    that they choose to practice their Thuggeries, and not come to Realize that their Policies
    are in NO way Worth, NOR can in any way be Justified, by the Price of the terrible Suffering
    ....................................................................................................................................................................................... that They Cause

    And Hoping for YOU in YOUR considerations, that they are NOT anything of a serious,
    .................................................................................................................................................................. or disturbing Nature
     
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    I think the chain of events here is funny.
    1. Pootin refuses to cooperate with OPEC.
    2. Saudi Arabia gets pissed off and expands the production with a clear stated goal that it’s to hurt paRussia and force it back to negotiations.
    3. MSM at first provide accurate reports of the situation and predict Russia going through very rough patch.
    4. Pootin and his cronies start to tell internal consumers of their propaganda that wise Pootin started this mess to destroy American shale industry. Never mind the fact that the US shale wasn’t really competing against Russian or Saudi Arabia’s oil in Europe in the first place.
    5. Leftist MSM and conspiracy nuts picked up these claims and run around like chickens without their heads claiming that this whole thing is a Russian design.

    Sometimes it kills me - Russian propaganda machine is better than many realize. They make ridiculous claims and many pick them up at face value.
    Now, anyone who has even a little bit of brain in their heads ought to think about this - shale extraction involves a lot of capital, equipment and infrastructure installed at extraction site. Let’s say prices go down to a point where it’s not profitable to extract that oil. Guess what happens next? I’ll tell you what happens next - any management of the oil company will put a fence around the extraction area, lay off workers, hire a few security guards and will leave things as is. Most oil companies can literally conserve the operation for quite a long time with minimal costs. Any lost jobs will be compensated by lower logistics costs - for the country the size of the US where even trains rely on fossil fuels, this is a big amount. So, in overall, the US economy would be fine. To kill the US shale industry SA would need to keep the prices of oil under $20 for quite a few years, maybe 10-20 years at the least. By the time the US shale industry dies Russia will collapse into 20+ different countries - they’ll go so broke, they won’t be able to afford their own food.

    To sum this up - Saudi Arabia is beating the crap out of Russia, especially during the Coronavirus pandemic. Pootins propaganda machine paints Pootin as a Don Quixote fighting evil US of A. Fools think that Pootin is the warrior taking on big America when in reality Arabs are beating his economy into pulp.
    :roflol:
    @zoom_copter66 what do you think of this circus?
     
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    Russian economy is 1/13 of the US economy. Russia’s population is roughly half of the US. That means 1 American is at least 6 Russians.
    Good luck trying to cripple US economy or even industry.
     
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    Yes...agreed. If somehow Putinka figured he could severly dent or outright destroy the shale and fracking here in the US was a fools errand.

    There are a few sites in the Bakken play area (Williston NDak area) , where they've been shelved for the time being. That area has light sweet crude close to surface.....and there's much deeper ones also.

    At the moment it's a " spring break up" in some places from warmer temps and sites and fields get sloppy. Covid19 has slowed things down (for now), until this blows over and after that it will/may be full steam ahead.

    Yup....I will agree Putinkas propaganda is second to none. So if someone says he's got "hypersonic" weapons....they're correct that Kremlin propaganda is hypersonic!:))
     
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    New York State has a bigger economy than the Resource Federation.:D

    As far as I can remember....everyone and everything has tried to cripple the US economy.

    Korean War, Vietnam, Desert Storm, Shock &Awe, mid 2000 recession, Katrina, 9/11, list goes on.:sleeping:

    OTOH.....I remember a quote from V I Lenin.....about an "indestructible" Union of Socialist Republics.....and Kruschevka bragging in the UN back in the day about "we will bury you"?!

    My my how events have changed....LOL.
     
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    Why is Putin dressed as Uncle Sam?
    We know he established cyberspace teams to covertly ACT as if they were Americans.
    And we know he tries to blame America for everything from WWII to the Coronavirus
    but to dress like this? No.
     
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