Putin Put Bounty on US Soldiers

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  1. Lesh

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    No one cares about our fighting men and women?
     
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    This is a tough one for Trumpers to deal with
     
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    Putin has no "friends".

    But He certainly owns Trump
     
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    Ya know, I was born in 1970. I remember bomb drills in school. I remember my parents talking about nuclear war with USSR. I remember it on the news. I joined the army in 1988, then the wall came down and for 4 years I still trained on how to kill Russians. Now I’m 50 and I’ve gotten really tired of being afraid of Russia.
     
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    Speaking of POS

    Fake News:

    All Players In The NYT 'Russian Bounties' In Afghanistan Story Have Slammed It As Fake News

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    White House was never briefed on purely "anonymous sourced" story, contrary to Times' assertions...

    How can anyone still be dumb enough to believe lies peddled by ANONYMOUS sources reported by Fake News? For all you know the sources don't exist and it's all fabricated whole cloth.

    White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Saturday in response to the Fake News Times story that neither Trump nor Vice President Mike Pence was ever briefed on such a brazen Russian intelligence plan to hand out bounties.

    "This does not speak to the merit of the alleged intelligence but to the inaccuracy of The New York Times story erroneously suggesting that President Trump was briefed on this matter," she said.

    And Trump himself confirmed as much, tweeting Sunday morning:

    Nobody briefed or told me, VP Pence, or Chief of Staff Mark Meadows about the so-called attacks on our troops in Afghanistan by Russians, as reported through an “anonymous source” by the Fake News NY Times.

    And rounding things out the Taliban registered its denial as well, meaning that every major player in the NY Times story, willing to put their name to their statement, has now said the story is nonsense.

    “We categorically reject the notion of ever planning or carrying out targeted attacks against US or foreign forces at the behest of foreign intelligence or for the sake of collecting bounty, and we also reject receiving material support,” a Taliban statement said.​

    Recall that the initial Fake News NYT report suggested the White House had indeed been briefed. Again it's unthinkable that an alleged Russian operation this explosive could be hidden from the commander-in-chief or top executive branch intel officials or National Security Council staff. The Fake News Times also assumes this when it said:

    The officials familiar with the intelligence did not explain the White House delay in deciding how to respond to the intelligence about Russia.

    While some of his closest advisers, like Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, have counseled more hawkish policies toward Russia, Mr. Trump has adopted an accommodating stance toward Moscow.​

    So who are the Fake News Time's liars?

    And then there's this gem, casting further doubt on the whole thing: "The intelligence assessment is said to be based at least in part on interrogations of captured Afghan militants and criminals."

    So we are left with anonymous officials casting a dubious tale of Russian targeting Americans in Afghanistan based on "interrogations" - likely involving torture or perhaps "enhanced" techniques - of militants and criminals
     
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    Reports are now coming out that top Admin officials had this intel and chose not to brief Trump.

    They should all immediately resign and Trump should address this strongly...NOW...because he clearly knows at this point
     
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    That's your problem. They are obviously a threat
     
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    This is not going away
     
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    Do you believe every single thing NYT publishes? Holy criminy do we have the government we deserve.
     
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    Indeed. But it shouldn't be. I mean, what is surprising about Trump selling out our soldiers and our country?

    Suspicions of Russian Bounties Were Bolstered by Data on Financial Transfers
    Analysts have used other evidence to conclude that the transfers were most likely part of an effort to offer payments to Taliban-linked militants to kill American and coalition troops in Afghanistan.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/...2303&user_id=fecdfdffdaaa11107b72f0f4f6e429cc

    "American officials intercepted electronic data showing large financial transfers from a bank account controlled by Russia’s military intelligence agency to a Taliban-linked account, evidence that supported their conclusion that Russia covertly offered bounties for killing U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, according to three officials familiar with the intelligence.

    Though the United States has accused Russia of providing general support to the Taliban before, analysts concluded from other intelligence that the transfers were most likely part of a bounty program that detainees described during interrogations."
     
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    "Every single thing"?

    No. This one I do. And the noise coming from the White House makes it look true. Things like "uncorroborated" after claiming there was nothing to corroborate...
     
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    Another slam piece by the NYT with very little facts. Even they admit that nobody knows if this unit was acting on their own or how far up it goes in the government yet they sensationalize it.

    How anyone still reads that crap paper is beyond me.
     
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    Now that this has been brought to the President's attention, allowing the point that he wasn't briefed, will the President look into this issue? If true should he respond?
     
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    Come on he must have some kind of plan?
     
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    Maybe you missed it but the White House is whining about leaks

    that kinda means there is something to leak
     
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    None of this has been or can be confirmed. NYT just printing whatever makes the POTUS look bad without any thought as to the truth. Its typical leftist behavior. They cook up a lie and run with it until someone catches them - then they act like it never happened.
     
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    NYT is notorious as a propaganda rag. We saw it in spades with Judith Miller in the runup to the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. Nothing but lies and propaganda.

    The Taliban does not need financial incentive to kill invading foreigners. They are religious zealots and patriots defending their country. They don't need to be paid to kill US troops.

    Pure nonsense by the war mongers in government, and I reckon they did it in part to get Trump out of office. I didn't vote for Trump, but the story is pure propaganda.
     
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    Fake News:

    Susan Rice Accidentally Proved Barack Obama (Not Trump) Is Guilty of Dereliction of Duty.

    Applying the Susan Rice standard to Barack Obama
    While the evidence is clear that President Trump didn’t ignore the uncorroborated and disputed intelligence about alleged Russian bounties on U.S. troops, we do know that President Obama was repeatedly briefed about the rise of ISIS, but failed to respond to this intelligence.

    Is it possible Obama didn’t see the intel? It’s theoretically possible he missed multiple warnings. According to a former aide in the Obama administration, Obama got all his intelligence briefings in writing. “And it’s well-understood why,” explained the aide. “No one sits and watches him read them, and no one can come back later and tell Congress in a closed session that ‘I told the president this specific thing was likely to happen.'”

    There are two possible explanations: (1) Obama saw the intelligence and did nothing, or (2) he never saw the intelligence.

    Let’s consider the second option for a moment. While the Russian bounties intel only reached low levels at the NSC because it was disputed and uncorroborated, a former Pentagon official confirmed that detailed and specific intelligence about the rise of ISIS was included in Obama’s Presidential Daily Briefings. The intelligence on the rise of ISIS was also described as “highly accurate” and “actionable.”

    According to Rice, any national security advisor in a previous administration would have gone to the president with unverified intel of such a serious nature, and would “not have waited until we had absolute certainty.” It stands to reason that any national security advisor in a previous administration would have gone to the president about “highly accurate” and “actionable” intelligence to make sure the president had been briefed on it. Yet, Obama once claimed that the White House was caught off guard about the rise of ISIS.
     
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    To channel Susan Rice: This raises myriad questions. If Obama was informed about intelligence about the rise of ISIS, why did he not respond? If he was not told, why not? Were his top advisors utterly incompetent? Were they too scared to deliver bad news to Obama, particularly about the Middle East? Was Obama running a rogue foreign policy utterly divorced from U.S. national interests? If so, why?

    Obama’s national security advisor at the time of the rise of ISIS was Susan Rice’s predecessor, Tom Donilon, who served in that position from October 8, 2010 to July 1, 2013. By Susan Rice’s own explanation, Donilon would have “walked straight into the Oval Office to brief the president” on the intelligence. So, even if Obama failed on numerous occasions to read his PDBs on the rise of ISIS, he had to know about it, because he would have been told directly by his national security advisor.

    So, according to Susan Rice, Obama knew about the rise of ISIS and did nothing about it. How many Americans and U.S. troops were killed by ISIS or ISIS-inspired individuals because Obama failed to act? Too many.

    By Susan Rice’s own words, Barack Obama is guilty of dereliction of duty.
     
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    Obama was told right from the get go what he was getting into - and it is not like it was a big secret to anyone at the time as everyone who had a brain and was close to the situation was screeching the same thing at the top of their lungs. The "rebel insurgency" was an extremist Islamist Jihad - "Holy war" being led by Al Qaeda and various Saudi ideologically inspired offspring.

    Flynn was head the DIA at the time - and there are declassified memos from early 2012 - shortly after armed conflict broke out - stating that it is Islamist nut jobs running the show - and they predict the formation of an Islamic State - ... not a bold prediction given that was the stated purpose of the movement - extremist foreign fighters pouring in from all over the Sunni extremist parts of the world.

    You know the names - Taliban - Al Qaeda- Mujahadeen - (all the ex Russian Stans of the same Taliban ilk) Boko Haram - Al Shabaab ) - and numerous other affiliates - the remnants of ISIS in Iraq - and surely some "remotivated to the cause" That cause being the formation of a new Caliphate - a new Strict Sharia Homeland - ridding the ME of the main cancer ... "Secularism"

    What the DIA was telling the White House turned out to be true. If there was any doubt in 2012 - by late 2013 - armed to the teeth by a coalition of nations led by Obama - the Jihadists took over most of Syria - and a new Islamic State was declared.

    All the cities of Syria under their control were turned into strict sharia nightmares - dark age style - rape , forced marriage - daily executions - torture - genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity. - and posting this stuff on the internet.

    For years after this time - when the entire world knew - Obama continued to support the Jihadists.
     
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    Lame whataboutism to defend the fact that Trump doesn't give a crap about our soldiers lives?
     
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    this didn’t age well...NATO, the Pentagon and our intel community al said this was completely unverifiable rumors that never even reached the level of importance to brief the president.

    NYT and the left is quite desperate goin g back to the russian conspiracy hole
     
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