Putin says battle for Bakhmut is over, thanks Wagner mercenaries and Russian army

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  1. Reality

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    Russia says "move along nothing to see here", ethnic Russian but Ukrainian partisans holding territory in Belgorad say hello.
    Putins spokescritter even mentions they exist. So.... still in contest
     
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    This was the reported territory held when the news was breaking yesterday

    ukraine.belgorad.thatsapenis.jpg
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where is the 100k figure coming from? The Ukranians themselves claim to have killed or injured 200k Russians across the entire conflict, the US claims 50,000 killed and the BBC claims 58,000 killed - all of whom are very anti-Russia. These figures are up to the 21st of May 2023.
     
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    As I linked, BBC say the raid was defeated, what is the territory held today? This was just a border cross raid, it was responded to, and now its over.
     
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    100k figure is coming from Biden at the conference, its just a statement figure at face value.

    Prigozhin says he lost 20k kia in the battle for Bakhmut, half of them recruited convicts. 80k wounded not out of the realm of possibility, but Prigozhin said only 35k wagner participated in the battle. Once again it was just a public statement from Biden at a conference.

     
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    Prigozhin says?.....that's really credible.

    Let's be honest....the orcs got pounded....my source on the ground indicates 100K+ casualties not including wounded.:)
     
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    You realize what you quoted yesterday was Russia saying "we killed em all and took it all back" and Ukraine denying that?
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...od-raid-ukraine-russian-partisans-humvees-us/
    ^ Lol they had to STAGE the photographs by winching some knockoffs into place.

    Don't worry: Its just the tip ;)
     
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    Well....Putlerstan is right about one thing?.....he claimed Russia"has no borders"?.....point made and glaringly obvious....Russias borders are wide open for incursions into the RF.

    This is just the beginning.:)
     
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    Its easy to 'expect' something that has been said all along. If you followed the news 1-2 months ago, military analysts in Pentagon and Europe said the town was not worth it, but Ukraine said it was worth it because it weakened Russian troops, which it did, because Russia lost 5-7 troops for every Ukrainian.

    This from May 9

    Why Bakhmut matters for Russia and Ukraine
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64877991
    Military analysts say Bakhmut has little strategic value. It is not a garrison town or a transport hub or a major centre of population. Before the invasion, there were about 70,000 people living there. The city was best known for its salt and gypsum mines and huge winery. It holds no particular geographic importance. As one Western official put it, Bakhmut is "one small tactical event on a 1,200-kilometre front line".

    And yet Russia is deploying huge military resources into taking the city. Western officials estimate between 20,000 and 30,000 Russian troops have been killed or injured so far in and around Bakhmut.

    So why has Ukraine been defending Bakhmut so doggedly, losing thousands of troops in the process?

    The main strategic purpose is to use the battle to weaken Russia's army. One Western official put it bluntly: "Bakhmut, because of the Russian tactics, is giving Ukraine a unique opportunity to kill a lot of Russians."
     
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    Yes, its a link from the BBC and it does say the Russians claimed to have repelled the raid. You responded with the territorial gain of the raid on the night it happened, as I asked, what is the territory held today? If its nothing then the link is correct, and from all sources I have seen they hold nothing.

    I cannot read the telegraph link, its behind a paywall. US vehicles were present in the groups pre-raid video's.

     
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    No my broshevik friend, I pointed out that the reported territory held when the initial news was breaking was hilariously in the shape of a penis. I figured that was intentional, given it was the Russian defectors reporting it, not the Russian loyalists.

    The source I provided notes that the Russians claim a whole lot, but their only offered proof is obviously doctored.

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    Moscow shares ‘staged photos’ of US vehicles allegedly used to attack Russian territory
    Analysis suggests the abandoned Humvees were winched into place, with US state department denying its weapons were used"

    I've then been tweaking your nose about it, because you seem to be a propagandist like Destroyer of Illusions.
     
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    So your source says the Humvees were abandoned, but also winched into place, along with the US state department denying its weapons were used. So were they used or not?! If they were abandoned its seem they were used.

    The NY Times verified the story based of video from both sides, the raid failed to capture territory and Russia recovered or destroyed US manufactured equipment.
     
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    Ukraine forces are still saying that it isn't over. Whether they mean it is another matter. As I see it, it's not over until it's over.
     
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    They're not humvees dude. They're chinese knockoffs. The russians winched them into place for the photo op.
    They were burned, then someone spray painted them "Revenge for Bakhmut". Which makes no sense, but for the putler wanting a photo op he for some reason can't provide.
    ukraine.wherebodies.png
     
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    Lol!
     
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    The Wagner Group conscripted around 50,000 convicts for the fight for Bakhmut. About 20% of them (10,000) died in the battle and there were also 10,000 injured Russian soldiers. It is estimated that Ukraine lost 50,000 soldiers and 50,000-70,000 Ukrainian soldiers were injured in Bakhmut. Biden previously claimed that Russia lost 100,000 troops in Bakhmut.
     
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    My source from the NY Times that was verified never stated anything about the Humvees. The group took photo's before and during the raid and used American-made armored vehicles(International MaxxPros. MRAP) of which two were captured.
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    Your source the UK telegram from above said the staged photo's were "abandonded Humvees" which were winched into place. So were they(the abandoned Humvees) abandoned during the raid as your source said or are they chinese knockoffs the Russians had laying around for a photo op?

    Here is another verified source from NBC News.

    This was only a raid, no territory was captured. The raid was repulsed and equipment was abandoned by the Russian Volunteer Corps.
     
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    The ruskies handed out video. The video shows the interior, and its chinese.

    Look at the tires man, that thing didn't drive anywhere there is no dirt on the tires of the humvee knock off. it was winched into place for a photo op.

    https://www.rferl.org/a/photos-belg...merican-vehicles-ukraine-russia/32425447.html
    Look at the truck in this one. See how its burned..... and then some ukrainian is supposed to have spray painted a patriotic message on it?
     
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    ukraine.russiancringe.jpg

    Seen: Russian fighting vehicle :banana::banana:

    Look at this cringe
     
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    They're just reporting what the Kremlin claimed. Why are you misrepresenting this?
     
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    Sounds like Armenia may leave CIS & CSTO....citing "security" concerns.....looking to increase ties with EU?


    Read on Kyiv Post....that Christmas in Ukraine will be officially observed on Dec 25?.....further breaking from Moscow church.
     
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    Yeah, that was an interesting little blurb to see, the Ukrainian church changing its calendar. I really wouldn't be surprised if we see more such cultural and policy shifts away from мат (sic) россия..
     
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    Quite possible....I suspect so.
     
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    The "Russian Legion" is a group of kind of awful people, so that was a case where you couldn't cheer for either side. The enemy of my enemy there is still kind of my enemy.
     
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    That's why you let the enemies fight, then you Order 66 the loser.
     

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