Putin Won't have it! WW2 was Wests' fault. Hitler was created and pushed to attack Russia.

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  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    You must have gone to public school... in Kalifornia...
     
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    Golly... another public school alumnus from Kalifornia....
     
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    From where mr. Keller got this information about traiding? And i did not understand, which part of Standard oil and when traded with Germany?
     
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    The war didn't start in 1941, buddy. It started before that.
    That the US entered late in the war had everything to do with the neutrality of the US.
    That's what I've been saying all along. You're just dragging your feet around for nothing.

    That's what the US did. I can't change the past.

    1941? The war started in 1939. Hitler gave a speech that the Jews would be eradicated in the upcoming war, at a famous speech he gave on januari 1930 in the senate in Germany. The war itself starts in september.

    Indeed. More. More of an effort, buddy. You think by not naming specific numbers and where and how, that the effort the US made suddenly becomes amazing? It does not. They entered late. The death toll is relatively very very low.
     
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    Umm, no.

    wow.
     
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    How about Europeans not starting another World War, I guess they we’re too stupid to learn from the first one.

    derp
     
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    When US should enter the war and why?

    And you talked about neutrality, not war. neutrality ended when US started to help Great Brittan in war against Germany - at march 1941. In this time Nazi Germany and USSR had treaty of friendship...

    My qustion was, why you count as start of war for US invasion in Italy, not invasion yo Africa, sea or air war? You did not get what I asking?

    So US should attack Germany at 1930?

    Again, i don't understand, why US death count should be hight? It is something positive for You?

    US entered the war at december 1941., only several month after USSR. Why it is late?
     
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    I wouldn’t really put much stock in his opinion of ww2, he’s already demonstrated that he knows very little about the subject.
     
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    Same reason they entered WWI and WWII.

    As if the war started in 1941. lol
    And there was nothing friendly about it. The US also made a deal with the Taliban. Are you going to sell me that the US is best budds for life with the Taliban?

    Because freaking Italy and Germany marched together around with their ideology. They were best budds!
    Is this new to you?


    My bad. It's 1939. Doesn't really matter. Everybody knew what was going to happen beforehand. The US sat idle by and did nothing,... to even let their companies aid the Nazi's to make a profit on it all.


    It's only to show how little the US did.
    Poland doesn't count because of what? Too many Jews there? What's your excuse?

    Lol.. you couldn't dispute a thing. You just got personal. Kind of it.
     
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    Funny how you can’t name of single thing the allies could have done to stop Hitler’s final solution, you must be geographically challenged as well. Then again you weren’t aware that Italy, and Sicily we’re apart of Europe.
     
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    It's not up to me to be this genius mastermind of a strategist with 30 years of leading forces in the army with a rank of general. And you're holding this against me, and that's just very dishonest of you.
    Oh sure. You deffo proved me this. Oh wait. Just a lame personal attack for criticizing the US standing by idle, so companies could help out the nazi's for a nice profit. Do get over your twisted sense of patriotism, while you play some vid game about the last year and a half when the US was doing something.
     
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    WWII started because of the way among parties the US made Germany a slave state with a sky high debt they could never repay. That is the general well accepted truth of the matter of why world war II started. That is what Putin is referring too. Bit weird to blame Europe for what the US was part of. Very dishonest.
     
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    I can smell your desperation. Maybe you should gaslight the Holocaust some more.
    You have a opinion which you’re entitled too, but that’s all it is. Your bias blinds you from historical facts.
     
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    Now you’re just making crap up.
    The US made Germany a slave state? Wow, how historically illiterate. France was the advocate for punishing Germany, and for the terms of the treaty of Versailles. In fact, the US congress rejected the treaty of Versailles all together. So way to fail again. Just face it, you have no earthly clue about WW2.:confusion::confusion:
     
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    When US should enter the war, WHEN, it means time, когда?

    You said, that US declared neutrality while jews was gassed and USSR fought with Germany. Its jus lie, or you dont know what are You talking about. And US choose to help Brittan and later USSR against Germany, actually they can just continue sit in the safety across the ocean.

    You have problems with english? I know several languages, including russian, but this is english forum and you should know english if you came here.

    So US should attack Germany 1939?

    Did in what? In loosing lives? They had to do more in this case?
     
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    Do you the source of this "Promise"?
     
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    Look it up, gang, the national casualties.
     
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    But not a good one. And certainly nothing to do with America. We declared independence from the British empire because we didn't want to get dragged into Europe's endless bloodshed and intrigue. And for much of America's early history, that strategy was pursued and worked very well. While European powers were fighting each other, Americans were getting rich trading with both sides. Washington, Franklin, Adams, Jefferson, etc., all made a conscious effort to preserve American neutrality. Granted, American neutrality wasn't always respected, and adherence to it wasn't always perfect, but the net effect of US foreign policy at the time was to practice armed neutrality. And the results pretty much speak for themselves. The US economy grew exponentially during the era of neutrality and tax and debt levels were kept very, very low. The US went from being a new and untested power to one of the world's preeminent powers in just a few decades. And it didn't have to maintain a global military empire in order to accomplish this. They did it almost entirely through commerce and diplomacy. There was never any reason to depart from this policy. The US should have maintained its neutrality during WWI.
     
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    > > >
    You already answered this question in the first part.
    True. Ford, GM, Coca Cola, IBM, Dow Chemical, Woolworth, Alcoa Aluminium, and support from Charles Lindbergh.
    I can. What did England and France do when Hitler marched into Poland? Nothing. Oh yeah ... they declared war then sat back singing "It's a long way to Tipperary" & "Lily Marlene" for 8 months waiting for the Nazis to reach France.
     
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    Source please. Just sayin' isn't a reliable source.

    Not sure who you think 'us' is, but I'm probably not part of it.
     
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    Over 400,000 never left Australia & were never going to. Perhaps as many again couldn't fight beyond Indonesia. So, in the context of fighting Germany maybe 20% of that million were available.

    I didn't think you'd accept that you were wrong. Certain personality types never can. I have provided you the facts. Any further misrepresentation will be you telling lies.
     
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    We know what the Swastika is, and the ancient Greeks used it too. Tsarina Alexandra wore a ring with a swastika for good luck, not realizing is would be anything but. When I said crooked cross I meant paganism - which nationalism is, but not patriotism which is a virtue.
     
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    People seem to think that WW2 started when Hitler rolled into Poland September 1, 1939....not true.

    WW2 started when Britain and France gave Hitler the green light to invade Czechoslovakia, which he did in late 1938. And when Hitler went in, so did Poland and so did Hungary. Czechoslovakia was the first casualty of the war.

    Poland, who hypocritically didn't mind invading Czechoslovakia, only insured their demise with their shared actions with Germany in Czechoslovakia.

    Neville Chamberlain gave full consent for Hitler to start his quests. And the French sat on their asses as well.

    Because neither gave a **** about Czechoslovakia.

    A year later on August 23, 1939, the USSR and Germany signed a non-aggression pact. A week later Hitler invaded Poland. Within 3 weeks Germany controlled Poland. Germany and the USSR amended their non-aggression pact on September 28, 1939 which established a demarcation line neither would cross.

    So the aggressors that started the war were Germany, Poland, and Hungary. The impotents that condoned the war were the French and the Brits.
     
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