Putins Plan ?

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  1. RevAnarchist

    RevAnarchist New Member Past Donor

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    I have lived a lot of life and during my life I have seen good and bad things happen. The ‘things’ ran from euphorically good to horrifically bad. Both personal local things and world wide things. Every time something real bad becomes inevitable or starts to happen I get a sick nausea like feeling in the pit of my stomach. Its like I have a internal old school balance scale inside. The scales have tipped, not with one huge event but lots of small to large (bad) events.

    So, I have just had that feeling again. It began tipping to something really bad is going to happen when Russia began having issues with Ukraine. The similarities between Hitler justifying his hostile actions are unnerving. Hitler’s excuse for taking the Sudetenland was that he wanted to protect the Germans. Mr ex KGB Putin is saying he wants for Crimea more or less what Hitler wanted for the Sudetenland, that is Russians ought to be in Russia. Remember this is the same Russia has made friendly overtures to Iran and Syria, and by proxy to radical Islamics. Those rIslamics and their leaders even way back before 9/11 wanted and got their world wide caliphate. Russia also chooses China over the USA for a partner in economic doings. Then there is growing anti-Semitism in Europe disguised as anti Israel sentiment. Japan is fighting off a recession, … I could go on. All these tinder boxes (and a hundred I have not listed) could ignite full blown war. It seems a mirror image of how WW2 began. Lastly history shows that both world wars started for far, far less.

    The question is what if anything can be done to defuse the world wide hate and the progression to another, perhaps the last war?

    reva
     
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    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps you should look into NATO's aggressive expansions, and actions in the Balkans if you want to find the instigator in todays Russia/EU standoff.
     
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    You think a Shia minority will have a Caliphate?????????
     
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    Casper Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Putin's Plan, rebuilding the USSR and then the take over of Europe, pretty plain to see if you are not sitting on your head.
     
  5. RevAnarchist

    RevAnarchist New Member Past Donor

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    NATO is not the problem its a symptom of the problem. I happen to disagree with any nation interfering with another business. If I were the President of the USA I wouldn't protect anyone save for Israel, Japan and maybe south Korea since we created them (abstract speak). Lastly the thread is not about a blame game its about where the unrest is leading ...

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    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    Its leading to potential recreation of WW1, where intertangled Alliances and imperial thirst leads to large scale war. China and US are the Britain and Germany of the late 19th-early 20th century. IMO. The only thing that can prevent this, is a friendly relationship between Russia and the West.

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    Nonesense, and propoganda.
     
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    RevAnarchist New Member Past Donor

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    See post #5, this isn't a blame game. Its this is the way it is thread, now what.

    lol~
     
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    No I was drawing a correlation between two 'Islamic nations' which are now politically friendly with Russia (at least Iran is) and the efforts of the terrorists to form a world wide Caliphate.

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    Sure it is, we know this because Putin has shown he is just a peace loving Russian that does not invaded and assimilate parts of other Nations and never supports rebels that attempting to steal parts of another Nation to be turned over to the Russians, nope none of that has happened. So who is next, how many past Warsaw Puppet states need to be repatriated?
     
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    Not sure what is your point.
    U.S. has more power then any other country in the world, so it is up to U.S. to start or not to start World War.
     
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    Russia does business with several Muslim countries... So do we.
     
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    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    1. Russia has not invaded a single Warsaw pact member outside the former Soviet Union
    2. NATO as I remember also got involved in an internal issue in Yugoslavia where a smaller part of a nation wanted to secede, same as Russia getting involved in similar situation in Georgia and Ukraine. Double standard much?
     
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    RevAnarchist New Member Past Donor

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    The USA resisted both entering WW1 and WW2.


    I disagree. However I do agree that the USA failed to partner with Russia in her weakest moment. The mistrust between the leaders led to the current problems between the USA and Russia.

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    Ok, that was not my point.
     
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    Yes? What does that have to do with the price of eggs in Oxymoron's Brooklyn? Also there is no love lost between the USA and Iran. See;

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran

    Sanctions against Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Numerous governments and multinational entities impose sanctions against Iran. Following the Iranian Revolution of 1979, the United States imposed sanctions …

    * UN sanctions against Iran ·
    * Non-UN-mandated ... ·
    * Reasons for sanctions

    reva
     
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    Sanctions were increased dramatically about August of 2013.. Iran's oil production is down to 1.2 million bpd and they are importing gasoline.
     
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    RevAnarchist New Member Past Donor

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    The USA powerful enough to win almost any war, but greedy people do desperate things to bring war, because they see war as the only way to get what they want. Lastly, most wars began over ridiculously small things. The reason being that the event that was named for starting the war was simply the fuse, the bomb (the war) was pent up anger rage etc that made the time ripe for war.

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    The key word is Former, they haveZero right to invade Any Nation, former or not.
    Nope NATO got involved when Putins Puppet was kicked out of office and Putin financed and supplied an uprising. Defending Putin must be an interesting job, hopefully they are paying well.
     
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    What the hell are you talking about, reading comprehension issues? Jesus Christ.
     
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    Spooks be there. I do think the USA helped make the price of oil to drop so low as to disrupt economies. We used several methods to lower price but fracking is pulling the USA out of dependency to a export nation. Wars today can be won without firing a shot.

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    so Russia has the right to invade all former Soviet states?
     
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    The US still has the highest production costs of anywhere in the world... and even without any oil coming out of Libya and Nigeria or Yemen, there is still a glut on the market.
     
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    Oh I'm sorry, your handlers did not tell you about Putin arming, training (sort of) and financing the rebels in eastern Ukraine? Just ignore it, they will provide you with a revised version of events eventually, if they feel you need to know anything at all.

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    That is what he said, talk about exposing ones self. WOW!
     
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    Yes if to protect smaller oppressed people, as the precedent by NATO in Yugoslavia created.
     
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    "protecting people", is the last of Putin's concerns.

    rebuilding the Czarist Empire is his goal
     

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