Question for folks who want to ban civilian use of semi-auto firearms:

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by modernpaladin, Feb 17, 2020.

  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think they're terrified of the guns per se, I think they're terrified of being expected to protect themselves.

    But yeah, it's like that where I live as well. Criminals don't last long 'round here.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A group I work with volunteers with the local Sheriff's department during a rather large annual event that attracts more people then live here locally, the first year I was there the group was taken aside and briefed by a Captain as to what they expected from us, basically what we where told to do was, blend in, keep your eyes open, hide the radios and I know based on how you some of you are dressed, at least half of you folks are armed, as such if you see someone getting ready to do something really bad, don't hesitate, shoot them.

    We will handle the paperwork later.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its like that here too. I see someone open-carrying weekly, never seen anyone care in the least about it. The only shooting we had in the 10 yrs I lived here was an illegal from the city 45 mins away came here and shot it out with the cops.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How did it work out?
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To be accurate, he entered legally with a work visa, then stayed after it expired.

    But ya, the power structure here in WA doesnt have much interest in enforcing such things.
     
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    You could have 100 round mag, but after a couple of shots, there won't be any left visible for you to shoot.
    Animals know where to hide.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That may be true when hunting, but not of self defense. If a hostile or hungry animal hides after a few shots, theres no need for more. If it doesn't, theres a need for more.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Totally false, most free range animals have no where to hide once spooked.

    You really have no clue of what you are talking about do you?
     
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    And they're using bolt action rifles.
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    The main purpose of 2A was to have a well regulated militia.
    So, we all should have the same weapons any military would have. Don't you think?
     
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    And such a distinction is meaningless and irrelevant. Different individuals have different criteria for what firearm is best suitable for what purpose. Just as different individuals have different criteria for which motor vehicle is best. Simply because some individuals utilize bolt-action rifles does not negate the fact that firearms such as the AR-15 are well suited for such applications.
     
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    So the argument for 10 round magazines or more for hunting is not a credible argument?
     
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    I know they're not gonna stand there while you empty your 100 round magazine trying to kill them.

    And you ask If I know what I'm talking about. LOL.
     
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    No because 1 round bolt actions are Military Style Sniper Rifles.
     
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    Me personally? No I don't see it that way. Some folks do, you will hear some argue that yeah a private citizen should be able to own a fully armed Arleigh-Burke Class Destroyer if they can afford it but I'm not in that camp.

    I believe it refers to personally owned handheld weaponry designed to be operated by a single person, IE handguns, rifles, shotguns, etc.

    Mainly regulated to what Law Enforcement can have. The military is designated as a national defense force to fight wars. So I am perfectly fine with the military having nasty weaponry that can be deployed against foreign enemies. However, Law Enforcement is a civil protection force that is there to protect citizens. They walk among us, the military does not (as in the military doesn't patrol my neighborhood in an M1 tank, they obviously walk among us seeing how I am walking among you all).

    So if a police officer is able to carry it, Joe citizen needs to be able to carry it. That includes specialized police forces such as SWAT.

    An organization designed to protect the citizens of a nation does not need to be more heavily armed than the citizens they are supposed to be protecting. Mainly, if a police officer is justified for needing access to an AR-15 because society is sometimes dangerous enough to warrant that then that means society is sometimes dangerous enough to warrant that, so us citizens who live in society need access to those too.

    But as I said, it's fine but make it consistent across the board. There is no justification why a police officer charged with protecting me in society may need access to an AR-15 BECAUSE OF society when Joe citizen lives in the society and he can't have access to one. If society isn't dangerous enough for people to need AR-15s then why should those in charge of protecting us within society have any reason to need them either?
     
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    liberalminority Well-Known Member

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    civilians cannot have what the police have because they are not on active duty, and untrained in tactical combat operations.

    the police and military are both lawful government force, only they are allowed to be militarized.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    A lawful and government force who's purpose is to protect me as a US citizen. So, their job is to protect me, they require weaponry to protect me because of the dangerous aspect of the society we live in. So if our society is that dangerous to where those in charge of protecting us require firearms to do so then we must obviously live in a pretty dangerous society....So those citizens who live in the dangerous society all the time should probably have the means by which to protect themselves since those in charge of protecting us have to patrol around with guns because it's apparently so dangerous out here.

    British cops don't carry guns for the most part. If our society isn't that dangerous then why do our cops need to be walking around with guns?

    Do a poll asking what percentage of US Law Enforcement Officers would be comfortable patrolling our streets unarmed. Your poll will deliver a resounding NO from police officers in the United States. And then ask them why they wouldn't feel comfortable doing that.

    The answer they give you is justifiable, and it's the same justification that Joe Citizen has.
     
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    How many rounds would you want in the magazine before taking the first shot at a herd of feral hogs?
     
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    disagree because civilians with the same weaponry as police can do insurrections.

    in iraq and afghanistan civilian villages are controlled by small scale militias, and make it hard for the American military to keep order and secure the oil there.

    it is not pragmatic for American civilians to be more militarized than lawful government force.
     
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    Hell yes it's absolutely pragmatic for American civilians to be as militarized as a lawful government force....It's pragmatic for the GOVERNMENT for the bolded reason which is exactly how it should be.

    America is a free democratic republic, we elect our government officials here. Our government doesn't just get to do whatever it wants regardless of the will of the people. In America we are governed because we LET THEM, not because we have no choice. The government answers to us, not the other way around, and that extremely important balance of power exists largely in part for the reasons you said.

    Afghanistan contains one hell of an insurgency comprised of multiple lightly organized small militias who have been giving the most powerful military in the history of planet Earth a run for it's money for almost 20 years at this point. And that's Afghanistan, imagine trying to impose your will on the American people without our permission...

    In any other nation their government could impose it's will on their people and there would be very little the people could do about it.

    In a nation with literally more guns than citizens in the hands of the citizens....good luck. And that is absolutely how it should be. In a free society the citizens SHOULD have the ability to cause a nasty insurrection against their government if it ever came to that. If the citizens are ever that pissed off that they feel the need to rise up against their government that means the government is no longer adhering itself to the will of it's citizens and needs to be replaced with one that does.
     
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    No, but I do use 20 round mags when culling hogs.

    By your reply, it is obvious you don't know what you are talking about.
     
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    In many cases the police have much less training then what civilians have, you really do not know much about police training do you?

    They cannot be militarized by law.
     
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    And yet, that's why we have the 2nd Amendment - so the people will always have access to the means necessary to assist/resist the state.
     
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