Question for Holocaust Deniers

can you prove that Henryk Tauber, Filip Müller, Rudolf Höss, Topf & Sons, Kurt Prüfer, were all LYING????

or do you accuse them of being liars simply because their testimony refutes your deeply held beliefs.

 

I suggest you read Perfidy by conservative Ben Hecht. In that striking book he points out that it was Zionists who as early as 1910 or thereabout said they were willing to have 6 million Jews sacrificed in order to have Israel created. Their numbers, not mine.

 

I'd love to hear how all the eye witnesses that saw multiple bodies cremated at the same time at Auschwitz, are "liars".

I'd love to hear how the workers at Topf & Sons were all "liars".

I'd love to hear how the memo from Topf & Sons is a "fraud".

This should be good.

 

How is that relevant to the fact of The Holocaust?

 

You will get your answer by reading the book.

Back in 1991, I attended a meeting of the Hillel Society (Jewish students group) at the University of Minnesota and challenged liberal Irving Howe on this book's premise in front of a room full of scholars. He shyly denied its premise but offered no valid proof to refute. Everyone in the conference room noticed it, too. Read it for yourself. You will be startled at its revelations. And remember, its author Ben Hecht was a conservative Jew.

 

It's not

Not one bit

 

Obviously neither of you read the book.

 

The Holocaust happened.

case closed.

 

How is what Hecht may have said relevant to the subject?

 

Correct.

 

That was one of the major points made by Hecht and by people like myself who spoke at that conference I mentioned before.

 

No, I'm simply saying that your recently "found" document is one of the innumerable forgeries generated after the war, Hoss's "confession" was made after being tortured & any "eyewitness" who claims that a cremation in those old ovens took fewer than 2 - 4 hours is lying, confused or fearful of contradicting the fraudulent, standard holocaust narrative.

I'm a blacksmith who has worked with coal/coke fueled fire for over 25 years. I've occasionally used fire as a sole source of heat during the winter & know that wet things won't burn without a significant amount of fuel and time. The human body is about 75% water & took about 3 hours for a minimum cremation & cleaning time in those old ovens if the Germans had the coal/coke required which they did not.

Such crude cremations would leave millions of bones and teeth if the standard holocaust narrative were true....Where are they.

Auschwitz was a large industrial facility & couldn't spare the labor to have thousands of workers moving thousands of bodies around, feeding ovens, moving coal by wheelbarrow, crushing bones & teeth & scattering them around the countryside.

Earlier "eyewitness testimony" claims that Auschwitz had a deadly, electrified conveyor belt to the ovens and a "vaporizer" that made bodies disappear immediately. I don't believe those fables either.

Finally, even Arno Mayer states that the majority of deaths at Auschwitz were due to typhus, not execution etc.

I'm still waiting for your response to my Post #524:

"About the Holocaust"
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-21

Cat got your tongue?

 

you can't prove they are liars

you can't prove the documents are "forgeries".

Hoss may have been tortured but his confession sure does give a lot of amazing detail.

....but I guess he made it all up.

LOL!!!!

 

..

 

I am on solid ground in asserting that the lowest cremation time in one of Auschwitz's ovens is 2 - 4 hours depending on the size of the body and that is if the Germans had the coal/coke required which they did not according to Allied air reconnaissance .

Allied air reconnaissance also reported no smoke coming from the ovens, only small amounts of coal/coke & no rails to the ovens. That means that the 200 lbs (+,-) of coal/coke required to burn one body would have to have been moved by wheelbarrow.
Anyone who has done any manual labor can recognize the impossibility of of hauling tons of bodies & coal in the short periods of time claimed.

To be clear, I'm simply stating that anyone who claims a shorter cremation time is either lying, confused, has an agenda or fearful of contradicting the standard holocaust narrative.

Additionally, a 2 - 4 hour cremation would still leave millions of bones & teeth none of which have been found in anywhere near the quantities you claim.
Auschwitz was a large industrial complex & the Germans had neither the time nor resources to spend using healthy workers to crush bones & haul the debris all around the countryside.

I'm glad that you are honest enough to admit that Hoess's "confession" was tortured & therefore meaningless.

Very little is said about Auschwitz's last commandant, Richard Baer, who in the 1960s contradicts Hoess's tortured confession and adamantly states that that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz. He was conveniently poisoned in his prison cell the night before he was supposed to testify to that effect.

So, yes, according to Richard Baer who was not tortured, Hoess's "confession" is a complete fabrication.

 

sorry, but unless you can prove that all these witnesses were "lying" and the documents are "fraudulent", it appears that you simply believe so because they contradict your beliefs about the Holocaust.

nonsense. only bone fragments remain after a cremation.

just cause a witness was tortured, which I do not support, that does not mean his testimony was fabricated, especially if it has been corroborated by other personnel.

did Hoss ever claim that his testimony was fake? nope.

Baer never claimed there was no gas chambers or no mass cremations.

the opinions of extremist and obsessive anti-Jewish bigots, are of little relevence when it comes to the history of the Holocaust.

nor can he prove that more that 1 million people died of typhus at Auschwitz.
sorry.

 

I numbered your responses for clarity.

[1] I'm simply stating a proven fact that in Auschwitz's ovens (muffles) were only capable of a crude cremation time of 2 - 4 hours which includes time for essential cleaning if the Germans had the coal/coke which they did not according to Allied air reconnaissance.
I base my assertions on hard facts, not recently "found documents" & inflated, third hand stories.

[2] It takes much longer than 4 hours to reduce bone to ashes. You claimed, yourself, that the Nazis only did crude & disrespectful cremations which would definitely leave skeletal remains(1).

So, where are these huge mass graves with millions of bones and teeth & why have they not been found in 70 years of searching?

[3] I know of no credible court of law that accepts tortured testimony even if it is corroborated by other tortured confessions.

[4] Hoess was executed & couldn't claim anything.

[5] Yes, Baer did maintain that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz (2). That's why he was poisoned in his cell the night before he was supposed to testify to that effect.

If there were homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz, where are they now?
I posed that & similar questions in my Post #524 at a related thread 5 weeks ago. You have still been unable to respond to it. Why?

"About the Holocaust"
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-21

[6] Arno Mayer may be anti Zionist but he is no anti Semite. It's a simple fact that typhus was the primary killer at Auschwitz and other camps.
Typhus was so rampant at Bergen-Belsen that 15,000 inmates died after liberation by the British.




(1) "9 Things About Cremation"
https://www.elementalnw.com/2014/05/26/9-things-cremation/

EXCERPT "2. You don’t get ash back. What’s really returned to you is the person’s skeleton. Once you burn off all the water, soft tissue, organs, skin, hair, cremation container/casket, etc., what you’re left with is bone."CONTINUED


(2) "The Myths of the 20th Century"
https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/zionmyth5.htm

EXCERPT "According to several sources, based on French accounts in the French press, Baer had obstinately refused during his imprisonment to confirm the existence of gas chambers in the sector that had once been under his responsibility.

Langbein, "Der Auschwitz Prozess", Europaissch Verlag. Frankfurt 1965." CONTINUED

 

are you stating that you consider Arno Mayer to be a credible and honest source?

 

I already showed where you were wrong about cremations burning bones & teeth as well as Auschwitz's last commandant, Richard Baer's claim that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Please answer the questions I posed in my previous post first & then we can move on:

1. "So, where are these huge mass graves with millions of bones and teeth & why have they not been found in 70 years of searching?"


2. "If there were homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz, where are they now?"

 

good to know you consider Arno Mayer to be a credible source regarding the Holocaust.

cause he knows that the Hitler's extermination order was real and the gas chambers were real.

of course you can always backtrack and reverse yourself, and claim that Mayer is a liar and a fraud, but then you'll have to explain every post you have made where you source him for info.

tricky situation huh?

 

Richard Baer was the last commandant indeed....but only for Auschwitz 1!!!

what about Auschwitz 2 and Auschwitz 3?

there were lots of other commandants there

funny, so funny how you ignore them.

and convenient, ay?

 

One of the Germans in Auschwitz labeled 'The Accountant of Auschwitz' that was eventually tried and convicted was very explicit in what happened in the camp and very matter of fact why it happened. He started coming out with the information to the BBC years before he was convicted. He said he had to do it to counter the holocaust deniers because he was there.

The interesting thing about the conviction is that the only reason they could try him was because he was on the ramps when Jews were transported in to oversee sorting of their belongings. He was convict-able because he was directly involved. If he had just been some kind of paper shuffler he would not be convict-able. He told of one 'shocking' thing that happened on the ramp while there. One woman had hidden her baby in her luggage. One of the guards discovered this and took the child and bashed it's head on some iron. He said that 'was not nice'. When asked what he would do he said probably shoot it. People were very shocked by his testimony.

He said that what he did was morally wrong but that criminality would be decided by the court.

 

Fact: Richard Baer never stated there were no gas Chambers at Auschwitz 2 and 3, which is where most of the victims were killed and housed.

Plus Arno Mayer says that the gas Chambers did exist and Hitler gave the extermination order.

Quite the conundrum, ay @Grau?

 

You're being characteristically evasive, again even after I answered the question that is the title of this thread with my Post #24.

I'll be happy to discuss Arno Mayer beliefs and Richard Baer's denial of gas chambers under his watch after you answer the previous 2 questions I posed earlier on this thread.

1. If the cremations were rushed and "disrespectful" as you claimed, there would be literally millions of bones and teeth nearby in enormous mass graves......where are they?

2. Where are the many homicidal gas chambers that would have been required to execute hundreds of thousands of people?


Genuine homicidal gas chambers require powerful fans and heated air to warm the Zyklon B, introduce it into an air tight gas chamber and extensive ductwork remove the toxic gas yet nothing like that exists anywhere at the vast Auschwitz compound.

Zyklon B is not activated by dumping it on the floor through holes in the roof. It is rendered from a solid to a gas via warm air.


Re:

It's even funnier how you ignore the simple questions I posed to you on a related thread 6 weeks ago:

"About the Holocaust"
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-21
Post # 524

 

Well duh. Ignorance of science drives much of the gas chamber denial. The chamber would have been packed with humans that produce 400 btu apiece. Auschwitz could pack 1,500 to 2,000 in one of the large gas chambers 30x7x2.41 meters. That's 600,000 to 800,000 btu. Zyclon B's boiling point is around 78 F.
The requirement to heat the room the size of the large gas chambers to 78 F is only 130,500 btu.

Many of them used carbon monoxide from running vehicles such as the Treblinka extermination camp.