Question for Holocaust Deniers

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've waited over 6 weeks for you to answer the 3 questions I have repeatedly posed on 3 holocaust related threads and refuse to answer any more of your questions until you answer mine.

    That's how a debate works.

    My questions were:


    1. Where are all the homicidal gas chambers and the auxiliary rooms with extensive fans & ventilation systems that were needed to heat the Zyklon B to a gaseous state and then introduce the gas into the gas chamber and, later, exhaust the deadly gas from the room so that the bodies could be cleared?


    2. Do you believe that the morgue at Auschwitz that is falsely labeled as a "gas chamber" is genuine or simply a fake used to deceive gullible & poorly informed individuals?


    3. Why are there no reports of seeing the most noteworthy symptom of cherry red skin by any of the quoted survivors and "gas chamber" eyewitnesses ?(1), (2)


    Cat got your tongue?


    (1) "Johns Hopkins"
    http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/publications/cyanide-fact-sheet

    Signs and Symptoms

    EXCERPT
    "Other: acute lung injury, nausea and vomiting, cherry-red skin color."
    CONTINUED



    (2) "Cyanide Toxicity"
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507796/

    EXCERPT "Patients with cyanide poisoning will not be cyanotic but will have a cherry red color due to excess oxygen in the bloodstream."CONTINUED
     
  2. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you want the truth about the WW 2 Germans and their enemies, you'll have to dig deep & rely on independent media as US MSM seems as replete with stereotypical WW 2 propaganda now as during WW 2.
    Sadly, it seems like too many people confuse these same WW 2 fictional accounts with historical realities & essentially rely on Hollywood for their WW 2 "education".
    The only popular WW 2 movie I've seen that did not portray Germans as cruel & bumbling Aryan blockheads was "Das Boot".

    Your interest, however, seems to be the dreaded Eastern Front where the Germans were confronted with a similar but less barbaric adversary in Viet Nam. With "partisans", one could not tell civilians from enemy fighters.

    From what I've read and heard from German WW 2 Veterans who served on the Eastern front, the Soviet partisans were as savage & sadistic with their slow, live mutilations as any butchers in recorded history.

    The sources you've provided relate examples of Soviet savagery similar to those examples I've both read & heard and partially explain why partisans were shot a bit like they were at My Lai. The average person cannot imagine the stress, frustration and anger that comes from constantly dealing with innocuous looking partisans who may smile at you during the day only to join others & slowly disembowel you at night.

    Meanwhile, I hope you'll enjoy your garden & be grateful for the blessings of peacetime...
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yeah, the Nazis were the true victims during WW2.

    :roflol:
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no, that's called "spam"
     
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    Now, I've heard every form of evasion....

    No, they contain facts that relegate "Homicidal gas chambers" to the junkyard of fraudulent holocaust memorabilia like fake human fat soap, fake human skin lampshades, fake shrunken heads, fake electrified conveyor belts(1) and the "recently Invented" Nazi Vaporizer used to vaporize 20,000 victims at a time as maintained by Chief Allied prosecutor at Nuremberg,, Robert Jackson.




    (1) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED
     
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    Just watched it until minute 43... I think a ship drove over them! I'll continue in the morning. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...942CFC65F2B6C8993710942CFC65F2B6C89&FORM=VIRE
    Thank you, Grau, for bringing it to my attention. It is fascinating!
    Yes, the Eastern front has made a dent into my psyche, because all three brothers fought there, my sister-in-law was a refugee from East Prussia, and a friend of mine lost his sister to the invading Russians. I was very young and impressionable at the time.
    Of course, I do enjoy my garden, but at times I can get so sucked into the past that it almost depresses me. The lies, endless lies continue today, and not just about the Germans in WWII, no, it continuous right up to the present about other victim countries of the US Empire. I often check Thierry Meyssan's site "Voltaire Network". Am still reading his latest series "Right Before Our Eyes, Fake Wars and Big Lies". It is unbelievable how everybody, all the NATO countries, participate in the big lies and destruction of the victim countries. Nobody has the guts and the means to stop this evil machine. Except Putin threw a wrench into it in Syria.

    https://www.voltairenet.org/en
     
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    Cherry red? Then perhaps you can explain this.

    https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750038.html
     
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    Yep, the retreating, defeated Germans sure did get theirs from their avenging enemies. Of course they weren't angry at the nazis for a) breaking the peace treaty, b) murdering 3 million Russian POW's, c) killing 25 million or so Russians, d) raping and pillaging their nation. Granted the Russians didn't give a flyin' frig about the jews and roms and gays, but the sure as hell gave one about their own.

    It was seriously ugly and the losers got it back in spades. Its a legitimate complaint because the truth of the matter is it was horrific for the german/nazi victims every where. Course not on the same scale as the jews/roms and russian POWs but it doesn't change the facts.

    You'd think that considering human history, we'd be able to accept the fact that "total war" brings out the very worst in all of us, regardless of which side "god is on". We must suspend our individual humanity in order to kill the enemy and destroy his works. Justifications are a luxury of the victors.
     
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    Re:
    Please remember that the preceding Holodomor is hardly an example of a government deeply concerned about the well being of its citizens .

    You know, I assume, that Stalin gave orders that any Soviet soldier attempting to surrender was to be executed even by his fellow Russians while in captivity. Because of Soviet propaganda and those orders, surrendering Soviet soldiers were especially surprised when the Germans didn't immediately shoot them.

    It is just another of many lingering WW 2 propaganda myths that the Germans murdered 3 million Russian POWs as the retreating Germans didn't have the food, clothing, shelter, medicine etc to care for their own troops or Soviet POWs. Therefore most of the Soviet POWs who died were not intentionally murdered, they died because the Germans were unable to care for them.
    An inability to feed & care for POWs is not the same as lining them against a wall and shooting them

    Additionally, the 25 million Russian civilian casualties you mentioned were not intentionally murdered by the invading Germans either but rather were tragic collateral casualties of intense fighting. Partisans (illegal fighters not in uniform) were killed by all armies, not just the Germans.

    It is a mistake to think of the German military as exclusively made up of Germans since about 2 million "German" soldiers were either Jewish, Ukrainian, Arabs, Spaniards, Slavs, Franks, and tens of- thousands of other non-Germans continued to fight for the Nazis(1) on a volunteer basis. Many of those non German units were punished & disbanded for their savagery.

    I do agree with your closing paragraph & especially: "..."total war" brings out the very worst in all of us..." regardless of nationality.


    (1) "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?"
    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102

    EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis.

    The important thing to realize is that had the Nazis been as racist as most historians have argued, then they could not possibly have garnered the immeasurable level of support that they did.
     
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    Your own source says: "... may be a late finding.

    Most of the literature confirms that an earlier symptom of cyanide poisoning is red skin. Why didn't any of the so called "gas chamber witnesses" mention this remarkable feature?


    (1) "Johns Hopkins"
    http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/publications/cyanide-fact-sheet

    Signs and Symptoms

    EXCERPT
    "Other: acute lung injury, nausea and vomiting, cherry-red skin color."
    CONTINUED



    (2) "Cyanide Toxicity"
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507796/

    EXCERPT "Patients with cyanide poisoning will not be cyanotic but will have a cherry red color due to excess oxygen in the bloodstream."CONTINUED


    (3) "Cyanide Poisoning Treatment, Symptoms & Effects - eMedicineHealth"
    https://www.emedicinehealth.com/cyanide_poisoning/article_em.htm
    1. EXCERPT "The skin of a cyanide-poisoned person can sometimes be unusually pink or cherry-red because oxygen will stay in the blood and not get into the cells."CONTINUED
     
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