Question for pro-life men

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If science made it possible to take the would-be aborted fetus and implant it inside you to carry full term, who would be willing to do it?

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    If it were mine and the lady didn't want the baby or couldn't carry, I'd do it... maybe reluctantly, but I'd do it.
     
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    Same here. Though this is obvious guilt trip by OP.
     
  4. Battle3

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    To rephrase the question: if by being inconvenienced for 9 months you could stop the brutal and painful murder of a baby, would you do it?

    The answer is obvious.
     
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  5. FoxHastings

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    Here 's what your "INCONVENIENCE" would consist of:

    Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

    • exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
    • altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
    • nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
    • heartburn and indigestion
    • constipation
    • weight gain
    • dizziness and light-headedness
    • bloating, swelling, fluid retention
    • hemmorhoids
    • abdominal cramps
    • yeast infections
    • congested, bloody nose
    • acne and mild skin disorders
    • skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
    • mild to severe backache and strain
    • increased headaches
    • difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
    • increased urination and incontinence
    • bleeding gums
    • pica
    • breast pain and discharge
    • swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
      (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
    • extreme pain on delivery
    • hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
    • continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)
    Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

    • stretch marks (worse in younger women)
    • loose skin
    • permanent weight gain or redistribution
    • abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
    • pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
    • changes to breasts
    • increased foot size
    • varicose veins
    • scarring from episiotomy or c-section
    • other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
    • increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
    • loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
    • higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
    • newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)
    Occasional complications and side effects:

    • complications of episiotomy
    • spousal/partner abuse
    • hyperemesis gravidarum
    • temporary and permanent injury to back
    • severe scarring requiring later surgery
      (especially after additional pregnancies)
    • dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
    • pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
    • eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
    • gestational diabetes
    • placenta previa
    • anemia (which can be life-threatening)
    • thrombocytopenic purpura
    • severe cramping
    • embolism (blood clots)
    • medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
    • diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
    • mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
    • serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
    • hormonal imbalance
    • ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
    • broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
    • hemorrhage and
    • numerous other complications of delivery
    • refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
    • aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
    • severe post-partum depression and psychosis
    • research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
    • research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
    • research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease
    Less common (but serious) complications:

    • peripartum cardiomyopathy
    • cardiopulmonary arrest
    • magnesium toxicity
    • severe hypoxemia/acidosis
    • massive embolism
    • increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
    • molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
      (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
    • malignant arrhythmia
    • circulatory collapse
    • placental abruption
    • obstetric fistula
    More permanent side effects:


    • future infertility
    • permanent disability
    • death.

     
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    I just had surgery a few weeks ago. I have all the symptoms of the first category you mentioned so I may already be pregnant.
     
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    :eekeyes: :roflol:....my condolences....
     
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    It was a simple question that can be taken at face value. Your assumption is incorrect. My post is the result of several discussion with several pro-lifers about caring for the child after birth. So far, not one was willing to take on the responsibility. This moves the discussion to the pregnancy itself and if a man would take on that 9 month mission. Those who are confident in their position will not feel guilt.

    Not as obvious as one would think. I have not encountered one pro-lifer on this forum who was willing to take on any of the responsibility of taking care of the child.



    I didn't know you were a man!
     
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    ...and you still don't know what I am, it doesn't matter.............Uh, anyone can post here.....female or male......
     
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    Okay, you just met someone. I used to be a DFACS asset. That means that children whose parents got into trouble, died, etc. and the baby had nowhere to go wound up at my house until family members qualified to get the child.

    I came close to adopting a young boy that came to live with us at the age of 2. His mother ultimately got her excrement together and got him back. But I took care of him for a couple of years and can tell you there is no more rewarding experience on this earth than raising and teaching a child.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I figured I would direct the question towards males since females can already carry for someone else. I really don't care which gender you identify with or which restroom you prefer.

    It is a pleasure to meet you. I couldn't agree more.
     
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    ...and since a few males who have been in here seem to think pregnancy is just morning sickness, stretch marks and a little inconvenience at birth I thought I clarify what they'd be asking for...
     
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    I would, as long as Danny DeVito wasn't the doctor.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Very true. Do you have kids?
     
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    Just a word of encouragement for you men, don't let the list of side effects scare you. Most women feel the baby they hold in their arms and hearts forever are worth the possible side effects. Most women are just fine and realize their bodies will change but it is part of being a mother. Most don't hold it against their child. Or future children.
     
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    Yeah...it is obvious. NO
     
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    Yeah...it is obvious. NO
     
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    Except the mothers that die
     
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    Which is not the norm.
    And not a reason to not get pregnant unless you know you will have difficulties.

    Why live on what might happen? If that was the case you would never ride in a vehicle.
     
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    Anyone that wants a baby should have one. Anyone that doesn't should get an abortion
     
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    But it does happen as do numerous health impacts that are life long. Not every woman is in a financial or physical position to have a child at that moment

    Would you insist that the homeless 16 year old raped because she is on the street continue the pregnancy?
     
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    Most complications of pregnancy are unforseen
     
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    Yes I'm quite aware of that.
    I didn't say otherwise.
     
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    I think there is no argument that the best course of action is contraception but unfortunately all too many people have the wrong idea in relation to infalliabilty of some forms of contraception
     
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    What kind of ridiculous "argument" is this? The kid is not mine, so no: I would not be willing to take responsibility for someone else's screw-ups even if the technology of it was here.
     
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