Question for Pro-Russian and anti-EU guys-Would you support a Russian invasion of EU?

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  1. Armed Update

    Armed Update New Member

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    I keep on hearing NATO is being "over aggressive". If America does step down, and NATO is disbanded, what should be Russia's course of action? Just sit there peacefully?

    EU is full of damaging policies, a poorly handled migrant crisis, a chunk of the world's economy and a question of sovereignty although it is a symbol of European unity and democracy. (ie. part of the Western World). Would you for any reason due to current problems, want a Russian invasion?
     
  2. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    I am anti-russian and (moderately) pro-eu, so I can't answer the question.. but, I think the answer is that many would support it.

    As for your other questions.. If NATO is disbanded, Russia could and would probably do in the baltic states what it has done in ukraine and georgia. If the EU still exists, the baltic states would be members. The EU does have a common defense article but it's not clear what this actually means. Russia would have to test to see wheter the strong countries of Germany, France, and the UK would actually respond to Russian aggression. My guess is that they would not respond with military means, and the EU would work too slowly to be effective. Actions would have to be taken by the countries themselves, and none of them seem keen on taking on the role that the US previously had.

    So.. If NATO falls (and the EU too) russia would be free to rebuild the USSR. the west would sanction russia, but it's unlikely they're use force to stop.
     
  3. tsuke

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    i wouldnt support it. Besides europe is being invaded by muslims now and seems unable to stop it. Russia would inherit so many problems from that i dont think they would want to invade.
     
  4. starcitizen

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    [video=youtube;PVLyj364wAM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVLyj364wAM[/video]

    I hear you are good at killing Nazis, but you're still an amateur, wanna go pro?
     
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    [video=youtube;Kf-sFQICZew]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf-sFQICZew[/video]
     
  6. starcitizen

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    Ohhh he got all of that one!
     
  7. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    answer is NO, far-right, extreme -left can sell couple of east European countries to Putler, but live themselves under Mongols of Juchi , hell NO
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    Invaded by Muslims? Hardly; but in any event it's a hell of a lot better than being invaded by Americans. America likes invading and spreading 'freedom and democracy' bombs around.

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    How old are you?
     
  9. Balancer

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    And it is possible to answer those who the pro-Russian and NOT anti-EU? :)

    Try to find a logical explanation — why should Russia to invide in Europe? We in Russia don't see such explanation. Russia wants to see Europe the friend, but not a hypothetical colony.
     
  10. Balancer

    Balancer Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, but Russia didn't interfere to Ukraine and in Georgia. By the way, names of these countries if you respect them, are written from capital letters.

    In case of Ukraine the Crimea itself has joined Russia (as far as it is lawful — other question). With Donbass — Russia certainly helped the pro-Russian separatists. And who in the world so doesn't do? America supports "a moderate oppozition" of Assad, Turkey supports ISIS, France supported opposed Gaddafi, Russia supports DNR and LNR. But Russia the troops didn't interfere in Donbass. As if much didn't want to prove it, in two years nothing has turned out. Though in the same Syria after a transfer there of the Russian troops objective proofs have appeared through few days, to the official announcement of operation.

    In South Ossetia everything was even simpler. This independent state, let and not recognized around the world. Russia has with him relations. In South Ossetia there was the Russian base of peacekeepers. Saakashvili has tried to arrange small victorious war and has attacked South Ossetia, hoping that Russia will leave aside. But Russia after attack on base of peacekeepers has entered troops and has crushed forces of the Georgian invasion. Including in the territory of Georgia. Then left the territory of Georgia. I don't think that with honest conscience it is possible to call it "the Russian invasion".

    By the way, Saakashvili is in the homeland declared the criminal now and is wanted.

    According to the first scenario very much only threat of Estonia where there are areas inhabited by mainly Russian is also very improbable. I don't consider that attack of Russia on Estonia is possible, I just specify a possible point of similar tension. More similar situations aren't present.

    According to the second scenario everything is simple. Don't attack Russia — Russia won't attack you.

    What else there are options?
     
  11. litwin

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    Ukraine, Moldova, are not European countries?
     
  12. starcitizen

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    Ethnic cleansing of Georgians in South Ossetia was the removal of Georgians, which was conducted in South Ossetia and other territories occupied by Russian and South Ossetian forces,[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] which happened during and after the 2008 Russia–Georgia war.[8]
    The Human Rights Watch concluded that the "South Ossetian forces sought to ethnically cleanse" the Georgian-populated areas.[9] In 2009, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe resolutions condemned "the ethnic cleansing and other human rights violations in South Ossetia, as well as the failure of Russia and the de facto authorities to bring these practices to a halt and their perpetrators to justice".[10] According to the September 2009 report of the European Union-sponsored Independent International Fact-Finding Mission on the Conflict in Georgia, "several elements suggest the conclusion that ethnic cleansing was carried out against ethnic Georgians in South Ossetia both during and after the August 2008 conflict."[11]


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Georgians_in_South_Ossetia

    Tell us another one comrade.
     
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    Oh they won't attack if you are a member of NATO.
     
  14. Jeannette

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    Of course the Russian Federation would sit there peacefully. Russian doesn't want conquest or hegemony, it has all the natural resources it need. Twenty percent to be exact, and to protect those resources and land is why it's always being drawn into wars. What Russia wants is trade. Besides that, it has 123 languages now, so why would they want more problems?

    When Washington realized that Germany might succumb to Putin's proposition of a free trade route stretching from Vladivostok to Barcelona, they began their anti Russian propaganda with its false accounts of Russia being responsible for the shoot down of the airliner...and it worked.

    Washington has never presented any proof, and the transcripts from the tower and the black box have never been revealed. As one Intelligence Agent told the investigative reporter Robert Parry of Consortiumnews when asked why the government won't reveal the truth to the American people: "Russia has everything going for it in Ukraine, but all we have is propaganda." In other words deception and lies. Are these the western values that everyone is flaunting so readily?

    As Friedman of Stratfor said, the US's goal has always been to keep Germany and Russia apart, because together they would be unsurpassable. To be honest though I don't believe it was the US's goal in the past wars ...but it might have been Britains since they were both seen as competitors.
     
  15. Alien Traveler

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    Yep. Just give Putin all territories which were in the borders of the USSR and then there will be peace forever.
     
  16. Jeannette

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    Here's part of the EU fact finding mission without Wikipedias Washington spin, so don't take everything they writes as being accurate. And if the ethnic cleansing of 35,000 Georgians by some elements in the War is so disturbing to you, then the 500,000 ethnically cleansed Christian Serbs and Romas in Clinton's wars under Nato supervision should be even more disturbing.

    There were a lot elements involved in the conflict and things were brewing between different groups for years. When the tie eating Saakashvili and his American trained troops attacked S. Ossetia, killing civilians as well as Russian peace keeping forces, Russia entered the war. They were not the only ones fighting, there were other factions as well.

    Anyway here is some of the fact finding mission by the EU without the spin:


    On the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, a sustained Georgian artillery attack struck the town of Tskhinvali. Other movements of the Georgian armed forces targeting Tskhinvali and the surrounding areas were under way, and soon the fighting involved Russian, South Ossetian and Abkhaz military units and armed elements.

    It did not take long, however, before the Georgian advance into South Ossetia was stopped. In a counter-movement, Russian armed forces, covered by air strikes and by elements of its Black Sea fleet, penetrated deep into Georgia, cutting across the country’s main east-west road, reaching the port of Poti and stopping short of Georgia’s capital city, Tbilisi.

    The confrontation developed into a combined inter-state and intra-state conflict, opposing Georgian and Russian forces at one level of confrontation as well as South Ossetians together with Abkhaz fighters and the Georgians at another. Such a combination of conflicts going on at different levels is particularly prone to violations of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights Law.

    This is indeed what happened, and many of these instances were due to the action of irregular armed groups on the South Ossetian side that would not or could not be adequately controlled by regular Russian armed forces. Then another theatre of hostility opened on the western flank, where Abkhaz forces supported by Russian forces took the upper Kodori Valley, meeting with little Georgian resistance. ..
     
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    Putin doesn't want them, although he wouldn't mind the territories that were always part of the Russian Empire being returned to them. The Russians are still living on them and they are being persecuted heavily.
     
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    Russian Empire? Poland, Finland, Alaska, to name a few...
     
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    I am moderately pro Russia as it presently exists under Putin, but I fail to see what benefit it would be to Russia to acquire Europe.

    Additionally, most in the West have deeper ties with Europe than Russia, including me, as most of my ancestors came from there...why would any of us want to see Europe go under? The OP almost makes no sense to me.
     
  20. vis

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    No, I do not think Russia would invade EU if NATO falls apart. What for?
     
  21. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    To "protect russians" or some other such bullshiet.
     
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    Hell no!
     
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    He? I do not know any EU country, where Russians are even a minority. If some country have to invade, it should be African countries or Syria, or Afghanistan to protect their people living ih EU.
     
  24. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    I know you don't, and no one is suprised by your ignorance.. But, there are russian minorities in the baltic countries, and they are very worried about Russia. If left unprotected, Russia would no doubt victimise them.
     
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    You say nonsense. Finland is not in NATO and Russia still did not attack it. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania - is not really EU- these baltic countries is just a joke.
     

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