Question for the JFK Conspiracy nuts

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  1. 4Horsemen

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    when they take this long to reply, they are usually trolls.

    check the post low count-102. I'd say he's a troll for sure.
     
  2. KingRichard

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    The Military Industrial Complex... runs the US and has done for decades.

    This includes the Military, CIA and corporations.

    They assassinated JFK and they did 9-11.
     
  3. KingRichard

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    Or possibly I have a life? One of the two.

    How is 102 low ? Look at the date I joined before you open your guileless mind.
     
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    Too (*)(*)(*)(*) funny.
    They killed Kennedy then they didn't invade Cuba. Gotcha.
     
  5. KingRichard

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    Who gives a F about Cuba.

    Vietnam was the massive money spinner.

    What would invading Cuba get them?

    A year after Kennedy's assassination... Johnson gave the go ahead for the decade of WAR in vietnam... with the 9-11 false flag of the time.. The Gulf of Tonkin incident.. When the MIC invented attacks on US destroyers. Johnson openly lied to the American people.. to justify the Vietnam war.
     
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    Uhhh more money. This is why the "US government did it" angle is so dead upon arrival.
     
  7. Mushroom

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    This is exactly what I am talking about when I mention crazy conspiracy theories, and that those that believe in one of them normally believe in all of them.
     
  8. KingRichard

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    Once you know that the US government .. is the Military.. then perhaps you will understand.
     
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    I notice that you failed to mention the FALSE FLAG that got Americans into VIETNAM.

    Any reason why you failed to do that?
     
  10. KingRichard

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    How is the Gulf of Tonkin a crazy conspiracy theory?

    It is a FACT.
     
  11. Mushroom

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    So let me get this right, the Gulf of Tonkin was done by the MIC, in order to get the President to spend more money?
     
  12. KingRichard

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    Go read up about it.
    I have no time to teach the uneducated.

    The Vietnam war was a godsend for the MIC.

    It was started with a LIE... just like Iraq.

    All Us wars start with false flags and/or lies.
     
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    Because this is the JFK section and that happened several years post JFK. But like all good conspiracy theorists, everything has to be secretly tied together with some "Mr. Big" behind the scenes--all good conspiracy theories have a Mr. Big.
     
  14. Mushroom

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    And this is why I almost universally reject them.

    After all, did not JKF reinvigerate the Cold War, continue the Bay of Pigs, as well as escalate things in Vietnam? He also authorized a lot of activity in Sentral and South America, as well as the islands in the area. He also is really the one that created Army Special Forces, and their school is called the "JFK Special Warfare Center" for that reason.

    And with the Space Program which he greatly expanded, the MIC had even more work then they ever had since WWII. Strange, how nobody ever thinks about this. Beung a combat veteran, JFK was one of the greatest friends of the MIC the country had ever seen.

    He was one of the bigest backers of the Pershing I missile. He also ordered record number of HAWK missiles during his presidency. In addition there were 2 aircraft carriers, the second of which would eventually war his name (USS John F. Kennedy, CV-67).

    So the claims that they MIC had him killed to make more money are patently silly. They were making huge amounts of money. And why did they not have Nixon killed, when he shut down the war?
     
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    Maybe they are only greedy some of the time? The cartoon-like mentality found in conspiracy theorists is quite hilarious. The story is that they want to make more money so they will have President's killed, buildings blown up by airplanes, etc... Yet somehow they took the years between 1975 and 1991 off? How benevolent of them.

    And you would think that they would be taking out leaders all over the world; apparently the MIC only operates here.
     
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    NO ..it happened 7 MONTHS after Kennedy's murder.

    Not very good at this are you?

    Kennedy did not want the Vietnam war. His death made it possible.

    Kennedy was far from a perfect human being. You do not get to become a puppet president of the US.. without being a pretty ruthless and nasty piece of work.

    He was however a pain in the a$$ for the Presidential puppeteers. He actually wanted to have a say in what happened. That is very unwise for a President. The president of the US.. reads scripts and does what he is told.
     
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    What is your opinion about the Gulf of Tonkin incident?
     
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    That is why he sent the Vice President to South Vietnam in 1961, right? He did not tell President Diem he was increasing support like history says, I guess he was really pulling out.

    He also did not increase US military support in South Vietnam, including helicopters, advisors, and also Special Forces soldiers. And do not forget that after the erection of the Berlin Wall, President Kennedy increased troop and equipment strength in West Germany to a size not seen since WWII. Within days, he ordered an entire Brigade moved into Berlin, and ordered another entire Battalion to move into Germany every 3 months. That is a build-up of over 2,000 soldiers every year.

    And those soldiers needed more tanks (which were not used in Vietnam), APCs (same), air defense systems (the previously mentioned HAWK missile systems), long range bombers, and the creation of the A-12, which would later be more well known as the SR-71.

    And under his direction, there was a Special Action Memo was drawn up in regards to Vietnam. It was to be presented to him upon his return from Dallas, and it reiterated the US commitment to fight in Vietnam, and included increased activity in both Cambodia and Laos.

    And with the assasination and coup of October 1963, President Kennedy was rapidly becomming very hawkish in Vietnam. He was already on the verge of reversing his order to withdraw 1,000 troops, and to actually increase troop strength in order to help restory stability and end the growing chaos in the nation.

    If he had not been assasinated, odds are that the war would have continued just the way it did. Kennedy was both a devoted anti-communist, and a big believer in military power.

    And nobody seems to be able to answer the question as to how President Nixon was allowed to live. This is the man that during his 2 terms rapdily scaled back the US involvement in Vietnam. If they wanted to kill a President, he is the one they would have assasinated. Within 1 term he pretty much ended US involvement over there.

    And why not kill President Carter, who blew the chance for a really good war over oil. And President Reagan, who had a chance to have several really major wars, and pulled out of all of them?

    And what about President Obama? Why is he not dead yet? If the MIC is so powerfull and greedy and willing to assasinate presidents, why has he been allowed to live?

    It simply makes no sense. Why kill the president that loved the military and was a dedicated anti-communist? The man that created Special Operations Community. The man that created Army Special Forces and Navy Seals (Marine Force Recon had already been made, in 1957 or he would have made that also).

    And do not forget, he laid one of the first broadsides at the Soviet Union with his Ich bin ein Berliner speech. When reunification happened, that speech went down in history as second only to the Tear down this wall! speech.
     
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    Oh dear.. this is a little embarrassing.

    What happens during a presidency has NOTHING to do with the President.

    Do you really think Dubya had any say in Iraq or Afghanistan or doing 9-11?

    Presidents are puppets.

    Jfk started to pull at his strings too much... so he had to go.

    I bet you believed those Dubya speeches.. when he said ..as Commander in Chief.. I today ordered.. blah blah blah?? Oh (*)(*)(*)(*).. you did didn't you?


    Nixon and Carter and Reagan were all PURE puppets. They did what they were told.

    The vietnam war ended during Nixon.. not because of Nixon..but because the MIC know how far they can push the US public.

    They got a great run .. a decade of huge military spending. That was excellent business.

    Clinton started out as a Kennedy type idealist.. until they threatened his life and the lives of his family. Clinton is now a firm part of the establishment. He is part of the Bush family.
     
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    My mistake; thanks for the correction.

    Actually, I'm very good at this.
     
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    I know I'll regret asking this but who are "they" in your mind?
     
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    Even though we're wandering way off-topic, I have to ask - Exactly when did this "puppet & master" Presidency begin?

    Was Eisenhower - who warned about the military-industrial complex a puppet?

    Was Harry Truman? Was Franklin Roosevelt?

    Please explain when and where this began, I'm curious to know!
     
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    JFK was the BEST President America EVER had. He gave his life for us to remain free, but...the mass sheeple don't want freedom, they want the comfort of "Mr. Big" to be their shelter.
     
  24. 9/11 was an inside job

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    eveything you posted is correct except for Clinton starting out as a kennedy type idealist.His life and family was never threatened.He was corrupt and bought off way before becoming president.He has a long standing friendship with Bush that dates way back to at least the 80's.your correct that he is part of The Bush family.Has been since at least the 80's.Barbara Bush has said he is like a second son to her.He was part of the establishment WAY before becoming president.Your confusing Clinton with Carter.Thats Carter your thinking of who started out as a kennedy type idealist until they threatened his life and his family.Carter is the only halfway decent president we have had since kennedy and the only one that tried to do the right thing.
     
  25. 9/11 was an inside job

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    sad but true.
     

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