Question: Will Humanity Ever Get IT?

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  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    I never claimed CLIMATE was the factor as far as their dying out.

    That is something you assumed I said.

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    keller's hypothesis Deccan traps + asteroid isn't new and she doesn't claim dinosaurs lived past the KT Boundary or that an asteroid didn't end their days, that's only you making that claim...and claiming that there are dino fossils after the KT Boundary is pure wishful thinking, it's akin to claiming bigfoot's existence, it's okay to look but don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously...
     
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    ya you did...


    although I admit I did miss this part in the same post
    but being killed off by homo sapiens is purely speculative ...
     
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    interesting but it reenforces my point about the cause of their extinction is unknown and the are lots of different hypothesis around...I'd question that europe was any darker in the last ice age than it is now and that they required larger eyes...north of the arctic circle some Inuit operate in total darkness for part of the year the Neanderthals never lived north of the arctic so were never in total darkness...they lived in parts of europe where daylight is not an issue and at the height of the ice age they would be in southern europe, ltaly,southern france, spain, balkans...

    and the part about their brain function is highly speculative I discussed this with my neurologist buddy and he says there is no way to know how their brains worked differently than ours or if they were any different...this quote from the article backs up that thought...
     
  6. AboveAlpha

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    Yeah...I know what you mean. The thing is I have this...JOB...that I sometimes do. When I do this...JOB...I encounter some of the worst of Humanity and if I am called in with my team it is because all other efforts have failed and it is my responsibility to inform the other party that unless a deal can be made...now...the alternatives will be undesirable for all.

    What happens some times is that some of these people are not rational and are under some delusion that has been ingrained into their minds that their cause and themselves are Bullet Proof and Indestructible. Some feel that GOD will save them as they cannot even come to terms with the idea that they could lose and lose badly.

    If I do my JOB right...everyone goes home....safely. Sometimes this is not possible and I abhor violence but I am both trained and capable of performing extreme acts of violence. The only comfort I can get after that might happen is the knowledge that my and my teams actions probably saved the lives of some innocent people.

    When a person does this for a while...for me...going on 3 decades plus...it is important to not allow such things to change you. But realistically....there is no doubt it has changed me.

    The main thing that has changed in me is I find it almost impossible to trust people. I know that there are many people who advocate peaceful actions and believe that there is never an excuse for violence or violent actions. That is a MYTH. Believe me if it were true I would not have to go on such...JOBS.

    These same people who advocate peace and non-violence when and if they were ever confronted by the kind of people I meet on such...JOBS...well these sheltered peaceful people would in very short order turn into the most vicious and violent animals alive if brought into a situation where themselves or their loved ones lives were in danger.

    That is what it all comes down to. A person can NEVER understand such things unless they have been there and placed into such a situation.

    AboveAlpha
     
  7. NYCmitch25

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    Politics isn't the problem per se, it's a symptom.
     
  8. Bishadi

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    the 'JOB' sounds so horrible. kill because you are told too? No wonder trust in human integrity has been lost. You are trained to react, to command.

    Are you capable of judging your leadership, just in case they are wrong? That's the question that take balls to honestly answer. Put it here in writing!

    I met a middle aged man, who told me about Iraq/kuwait. He said, 'we were sent in, to blow the wells for our aircraft to have cover'. Complete. Then redeployed to bring in the engineers to put the tops back on; to cap them off. Complete. He then was redeployed to blow the same wells up again. It's why he quit and somehow I was lucky to have the man sitting in front of me. He was wanting a new JOB. Perhaps he was questioning himself and perhaps to see if he really could trust people. He had no problem with realizing his management team at the old job, were not all that honest.

    I spoke with him personally and watched a man get real soft when realizing how many died for what he said was the 'business of war'.

    What I can appreciate is the honor of defending what is right. But it is tearful to see a person give their life to something and then find it was a wrong.

    What is sad is to realize some actually believe that what their leaders tell them is correct and are so ignorant, that some have strapped a plane to their azz and bash themselves into buildings, Killing innocents or as I see in your comment, "it's a job" and willing to take down any that do not see eye to eye with what you've been led to believe. In a way, you may be one of the scariest people on the site as to kill/murder or as you may have a notion of, preemptive in strategic approach.

    BUTT_ Your post could be made to fit a guy like me. Then to read the post again, I find that the post could be best fitting for a guy like you, especially after your postings of duties. You seem to honor the JOB above any other ideology of peace. Almost as if force, will make the difference to the side that you represent. That is perhaps why your confidence is so vast, as they cannot even come to terms with the idea that they could lose and lose badly.

    for example: (as I quote you)....What happens some times is that some of these people are not rational and are under some delusion that has been ingrained into their minds that their cause and themselves are Bullet Proof and Indestructible. Some feel that GOD will save them as they cannot even come to terms with the idea that they could lose and lose badly.

    That little clip actually fits a follower of force versus a single person. It is closer to defining you. You make the home team sound bullet proof and indestructible. but dam I hope you are right, I would love to be able to vacation in space. ie.... private quarters and sex with my sweetie in weightless environment.

    but to be fair, there is only 1 deal by me. The math is safe (no one side will have it), equality will reign, Hopi have hard drives, foundations of 'truth' are all over the world, already.

    but I would love to make my statement clear; I would love wake up knowing, that any a man protecting us all, is not stupid to a JOB or religion, or any ideology that takes away the foundations known in basic common sense.

    Remember the thread is on evolution. The good live and the opposing do go extinct eventually.

    Not my call, just the truth, naturally!



    . I would like to read the answers to the questions, I have posted.
     
  9. Bishadi

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    again cute as ever.

    did the birds make it? (some)...... yes or no
     
  10. wyly

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    now who's cute... birds aren't dinosaurs, related yes but then so are mammals, reptiles, amphibians, fish we're all related but none of us are dinosaurs...
     
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    Well...we only know what we know...but we also know what we don't know...and there are lots of things we don't know...

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    I'll go along with a symptom of the Peter Principle...
     
  12. wyly

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    my archeologist daughter says it's a good example of how archeology works...a Prof will sit down with senior under grads and brainstorm...they'll approach an issue like the neanderthal extinction throwing out any hypothesis that comes into their head as a plausible explanation, and then see if they can dismantle the idea to dismiss it or if it stands up to challenge pursue it for further investigation...
     
  13. Bishadi

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    I must read too much



    Birds are Dinosaurs


    Not all dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago. One group survived, and we see their descendents every day. We call them birds. Paleontologists recognized this link over 125 years ago, and have been investigating it ever since. Discoveries have included shared skeletal features like hollow bones and hips that allow walking upright, and fossils of feathers and nesting grounds. New finds continue to fill in the bird family tree and shed light on ancient dinosaur behavior.

    Support for the development of Science Topics was generously provided by Sidney and Helaine Lerner, GRACE Communications Foundation.



    http://www.amnh.org/explore/science-topics/birds-are-dinosaurs

    I liked the Berkeley quote on the query: http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/diapsids/avians.html
    Some researchcers have raised issues that may seem to make the theropod origin of birds difficult to support, but these difficulties are more illusory than substantial.



    or even



    just to let you know. Birds did survive, Alvarez and his son are sob's for practically forcing this asteroid theory in ya.


    I find that some with a mind that believes they are scientific are often worst that preachers at telling the truth, and or even when found at fault, incapable of admitting failure.


    check your own thinking before ever trying to play with my integrity.

    we need a dunce hat for you and just send you to a corner

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    I must read too much



    Birds are Dinosaurs


    Not all dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago. One group survived, and we see their descendents every day. We call them birds. Paleontologists recognized this link over 125 years ago, and have been investigating it ever since. Discoveries have included shared skeletal features like hollow bones and hips that allow walking upright, and fossils of feathers and nesting grounds. New finds continue to fill in the bird family tree and shed light on ancient dinosaur behavior.

    Support for the development of Science Topics was generously provided by Sidney and Helaine Lerner, GRACE Communications Foundation.



    http://www.amnh.org/explore/science-topics/birds-are-dinosaurs

    I liked the Berkeley quote on the query: http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/diapsids/avians.html
    Some researchcers have raised issues that may seem to make the theropod origin of birds difficult to support, but these difficulties are more illusory than substantial.



    or even



    just to let you know. Birds did survive, Alvarez and his son are sob's for practically forcing this asteroid theory in ya.


    I find that some with a mind that believes they are scientific are often worst that preachers at telling the truth, and or even when found at fault, incapable of admitting failure.


    check your own thinking before ever trying to play with my integrity.

    we need a dunce hat for you and just send you to a corner
     
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    can you bring her onto the thread, to read how antiquated her papa really has become?

    maybe she can pre read your posts before you upload and you increase your credibility.
     
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    I can only say this...because I am.."CIVILIAN"...and not Military...as well as I am needed...I am under no obligation to do a...JOB...or follow orders. I will choose what I will do and when I and my team will do it.

    My Team is Military...but they are all young guy's and I am the Old Man that they depend upon to keep them out of doing a...JOB...that some Politician or Military Brass Ass has decided is an action that needs to be done. I have turned down MANY such JOBS and I always will if I think my guy's are being sent into a Meat Grinder.

    As far as Innocent Lives...believe me...if my team and I pay you a visit...YOU ARE NOT INNOCENT. As well our main purpose is to RESOLVE THE ISSUE...granted these resolutions are on our terms. But to think for a MOMENT that our TERMS are unreasonable or are terms unfounded...they are NOT.

    My purpose is to be a PROBLEM SOLVER. I and my team are sent to Broker a Deal and the reason it is us is because every other possible offer has already been refused...violently refused in most cases.

    If Arabic, Farsi or Urdu must be spoken...it is done perfectly in a way that NO POSSIBILITY of conflicting meanings could be interpreted. Most of the time such people speak English and have been schooled in the U.S. or the U.K.

    I have listened to people talk about how the West hates this religion or that religion but 99.999% of the time these people use their Religious Beliefs as a way of controlling and influencing their populations as what is a easier way for a population to ignore the fact that their leaders can't deliver clean water, food or medical supplies when this population instead spends all it's time condemning the U.S. for all it's problems.

    I wish people could just talk things out. I wish violence was something that was never used. But the reality is there are some fairly EVIL people out there in the World that would shoot you just as soon as look at you.

    If I am there...they tend to think twice before shooting as they know our track record.

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    :roflol: I let her read all of them, she said I nailed it!... the proper approach for archeology/anthropology....

    sometimes when an expert tells ya something you just need to swallow your pride and accept it Bishadi regardless how much it hurts your ego :cool:
     
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    well, damnit I was hoping we would meet.

    I could never HATE America. Even if some policy and brass action is wrong. AS I know our forefathers did good. I personally know freedom because of them.

    But the idea that you are a free lance now puts me to consider that lives could be harmed based of another error of (a) man.

    For example: your whole post on photons and mass is complacent to existing belief but is wrong. I don't care if them beliefs build your weapons. I don't care if you are happy with them and are willing to sustain them until some other 'brass' tells you different, the information is wrong. So now, you aint an American that sustains 'policy'. You are willing to murder and then yet have an antiquated education on the foundations and comprehension of how nature and the life itself works.

    Yet by your post, may I ask if AIPAC is 'anti American' and about the most corrupt entity of American soil?
     
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    ii posted college level links.

    You must have the little one in a community college that doesnt have any other material to teach except from perhaps left over literature.

    I don't need your daughters name, but what is the college, course # and professor for her major (archeology), I will contact the professor myself

    I she is supporting your posts and is being taught such antiquated beliefs, we need to educate the teacher him/herself
     
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    you're a crack up.

    Each of the next generations and knowledge learned, should and will exceed what is prior or our generation is/has failed. It would be like accepting genesis to define windows 8 usage

    I gave you Berkeley opinion and links to observe what is currently held in understanding. It all was easy reading and had no math for you to complete but I am thinking that perhaps your education level will require picture books, because reading what they have to say is not good enough.

    If you want a small piece of information, even something you can share with your little one; the world is undergoing a paradigm shift on comprehending how nature even operates. The subject alvarez/asteroid kt is stupid and too easy to over come but you may have a tough time comprehending gravity as being entangled energy between points in time.

    Humanity will get it and although you many not believe it, I am a big part of it. I already have the 'name' and have been sharing info for 3 decades at the university level all over the world just so NO single, can sustain propriety nor supersede the rest of the world.


    yes...... Humanity already got it

    no ...... the selfish idiots, don't sustain integrity and don't get it. It's usually the parents fault, in the beginning. ie...... you are showing us all why it has taken so long. The reason I consider it ugly, is because the idiots are doing it by choice
     
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    First of all I will and never have committed MURDER.

    I have defended myself and I have no problems sleeping at night.

    Secondly we are tasked with Brokering a PEACEFUL SOLUTION. We are not the judge and jury or executioners. We are sent in to give very Bad People a chance at redemption. If they choose not to deal then I will leave and at that point it is someone else's problem.

    The ONLY time violence is incurred is when such people take the given opportunity of our meeting to arrive at a peaceful solution as an opportunity to KILL US and thus they believe doing so will send a message.

    I can tell you this...they might think they are catching us with our guard down feeling that we are WEAK coming to them with such an offer of peace...but we are professionals and Highly Trained. As well it is they who are WEAK as the offering of a peaceful solution is a much more difficult task than the much easier one of violently ending the issue.

    As far as my Physics. I was for a time an Assistant Professor and I am well versed in a wide variety of Physics and Mathematics. I KNOW the current realities as best as evidence and the math allow us to view such things.

    As well...I understand how such Physics allows practical applications. THAT is the reality as a person can state what they wish to believe but I state what I KNOW to work and make the wheels spin.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    The Sun will obliterate the Earth in 7 billion years or so. I don't think we need to exactly rush.
     
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    Even if Humanity has a long time run of existing...it would have to move off planet to do so as within several thousand years...if we make it that long...the realities of Ice Ages, Solar Flares, Cosmic Ray Bursts, Asteroid or Comet Bombardment, Super Volcano's and Plastic Bottles covering the surface of the Ocean..LOL!...will probably do us in.

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    I'd say more like a few hundred million years. After all, the dinosaurs lasted 165 million years. Modern humans are thought to be only 200,000 years old on this Earth.
     
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    In that time period of a few hundred Million Years...there will have occurred multiple Extinction Level Events that could wipe out Humanity.

    Only if Humanity were to strike out into the Galaxy and start living upon other planets could humanity be able to survive over such a long period.

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