Quo vadis Europa?

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's time for some swift changes in country politics, particularly in the ex-communist countries of Eastern Europe who have not shaken their bad-habit of having rabid National Leaders that decide everything forever - like the "good ole days"' of communist Eastern Europe?

    Moreover, it is a moment for those people in particular to "grow up" as regards the elements of any truly plural democratic economy - that is, the plurality of power as expressed in the national and local voting. No one person or one party should control all the reigns of power!

    This West/East clivage in Europe came at the wrong time, but that is the fault of the western leaders who thought at the turn of the century that it was Now Or Never to make the entire Western Europe a True Democracy by expanding its borders after the fall of Russian orthodox communism.

    Nice idea, but it came up against Uncle Sam's Great Recession that put the breaks on the EU-economy in 2008 - from which Europe has yet to recover. But a "nation" of more than 440 million shoppers can do it IF they have the common desire to "do it".

    Otherwise there is a great chance that the Euro will fail and economies will drop back into the economic-pits of monetary-division of pre-EU times.

    The risk of it all coming apart is real. Very real ...

     
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    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The idea of a single European republic is awfull. European cultures, way of thinking, political cultures, are way too different to allow to do that.

    There was the dream of many leaders to create an "european USA".

    But Europe is not the USA.

    It's logical that the EU is falling apart. It wasn't made to favour the well being of European people but to encourage free trade, it was not done to create deep friendship bonds between the people but to put them in concurrence.

    The EU is to free trade what USSR is to communism. It's falling apart, and if I fear the repercussions on common people of that fall, I won't regret that so called union that have done everything to create division between people.
     
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  3. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, but it is in those characteristics the most important. Same kinds of people regardless of the language differences. All they want is a good life and and good-job with which to live it. And rid themselves of the incessant waring that had bothered them for centuries past.

    Churchill put it nicely even if he did not see GB as part of it and it seems he got that right about his people's foolhardiness! They are too blind to see the economic advantages, but that's the problem they just bought anew. It WILL come back quickly to haunt them.

    From here: European Integration
     
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  4. The Scotsman

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    thank you sir......thank you!!!
    It all started as a trade bloc and should have stayed as a trade bloc. Respect and understanding comes from mutually beneficial trade not ramming together disparate cultures in order to perpetuate some neo-political moralistic crusade.

    Well said.....Nice post!
     
  5. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And another matter to make headlines (in some countries) is the manner in which Germany's highest court is mixing itself into matters that are not within its jurisdiction.

    From here: Analysis: The European Court of Justice's bitter spat with Germany's constitutional court - excerpt:

    Wow? Since when did the highest-court in any land within the EU have the right to vote a comment upon a subject that is NOT within its legal jurisdiction?

    Well, joke this (from the same article as I have noted above):

    'Nuff said? Methinks so ...
     
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    Wrong.
    The question is what can the EZB do. The EZB is not a EU organ, it is a organ of the Euro.
    Euro and EU are not the same, that was part of what the German Supreme Court was saying. The EZB is not part of the EU and there for the EU Supreme Court has no saying.
    I think it was about time, to clarify this.
     
  7. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is the "EZB" ... !?!

    And if you mean the ECB (European Central Bank), then you've got that dead-wrong as well. It sits in Frankfurt and its head is nominated by the EU Commission in Brussels; Also, if you think that the Brussels-based EU Commission is not part of the EU, then you live on some other planet ...

    PS: Neither is the FRB in the US a "private organ". It is part private and part public, with its Board of Governors an agency of the United States government.
     
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    Europäische ZentralBank....he's German....I think.....
     
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