Race and Crime

And more black men than white men drive cars with black tinted windows?

 

I believe that to be accurate!

 

Interesting. Can you support that claim?

 

Nope. just personal observation.

 

You disputing Stanford to be a good source? You're in no position to question that.
My sources stand that institutionalized racism is real.
You got nothing against APA, Stanford, HWR, US sentencing commission and the hamilton project

That is not my source.

The US sentencing commission say that black people get longer sentences compared to white people.... under the same circumstances.
I already sourced that. While your source just says that people get longer sentences when they already had a conviction.
It does overlook that black people get arrested more than white people, who are more criminal with drugs, and got more infractions when pulled over.
It also does not discuss how white and black people are treated under the same circumstances.

Find your own sources.

You're just now distracting away from the numbers. The numbers stand.
Cops arrest black people at an astronomical rate of +300% over drugs while white people do more drug related crimes.

 

I'm not questioning it, I'm just asking, "exceptionally high according to who?"

Studies can be made to say anything.

Then what is this below?

Doesn't mean racism. You still apparently think that judges DO NOT use discretion!

It's VERY simple! Black people commit more crime than white people:

"minorities do commit more violent crimes and murders..."
https://www.informernet.com/opinion...ericans-commit-the-majority-of-violent-crimes

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

And you cannot back up your numbers.

 

And I am remarking: you are in no position to question the professionalism of HRW, APA and Stanford.

It's your source, so you tell me.
My sources stand proving institutionalized racism is present.

Since there are no other factors, besides skin color: It does mean racism.
The discretion is apparently used to get white people lesser sentences.

Just an opinion peace by Joshua Boyd, and a link to his fakebook.
And it's not about institutionalized racism.

This is about arrests rates. I proved to you ages ago that there is no link between arrests and who commits crime.
And it's not about institutionalized racism.

The math has already been posted. Saying I can not back it up, is no argument if you're not pointing at my math equation. It's just hot air.

 

still blaming the police for arresting people who commit crimes, I see!

 

I'm just wondering how you know about their professionalism. Again, studies can be made to say anything. You should really only give your opinion, and not the opinion of others.

Uh, I quoted you directly citing the source! Again:

So geographical area doesn't have anything to do with race?

No, it's used to target high crime areas, which are disproportionately black. I would have no problem with a white person being given a longer sentence in a high crime area than a black person in a lower crime area.

An opinion piece by a black liberal, not a white right winger! Here he is: https://www.informernet.com/about

This is about your claim that blacks don't commit more crime than whites.

"And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white. Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher." https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

Posted BY YOU! With no support!

 

You're free to dispute the professionalism HRW, APA and Stanford.
But I don't care about your personal opinion.

Your argument is that it would explain an overal difference of +300% of white people doing more drugs related crime, yet black people get arrested far more often because of it, but you're not PROVING IT
You're basically disputing the professionalism HRW, APA and Stanford, with your tiny irrelevant opinion. Total joke of an argument.

Your argument is that judges simply give poor people living in high crime area's harder sentences, but you're not PROVING IT
You're basically disputing the professionalism HRW, APA and Stanford, with your tiny irrelevant opinion. Total joke of an argument.

It's still just an opinion peace by Joshua Boyd, and a link to his fakebook. Doesn't put a dent into the conclusions of HRW, APA and Stanford.

No. You claimed "Black people commit more crime than white people"... but can't prove it.
While I proved there is no correlation between who gets arrested and who did the crime,
since white people do more drug related crimes
since white people got more infractions with the law when pulled over.

This is all about who got arrested. And 46% of all violent crime remains unsolved, and 43% don't even report a violent crime = 57% got reported.
So off all violent crime 57*0.46 = 26% of violent crime is solved of which black people are over represented in it.
And I already proved to you: no correlation between who does the crime = who gets arrested.
Your idea's that you can without a doubt claim who does with just 26% solved crimes: total joke.

https://www.insider.com/police-dont-solve-most-violent-property-crimes-data-2020-6

I actually founded the math on the following picture that I sourced.

 

let's just take a look at the "source" that for reasons no one can explain bears more relevance than the FBI crime stats.

https://www.hamiltonproject.org/about/

well, sh**. they are just about economic policies and big gov. they aren't law enforcement, they don't practice criminal law, and they have no sound logic in their bag.

it's really funny that this kind of chicanery holds water for some while actual crime stats get brushed away with the trendy racial broom.

 

Well I don't care about your opinion either! But you haven't even expressed your opinion! You have just given the opinion of someone else and stated it as FACT! Again, studies can be made to say anything.

Okay, let's say you're right about specifically drugs. Are you including any other crimes, or just drugs?

I'm not trying to PROVE it! I'm simply offering an alternative other than the tired old accusation of 'racism!' I'm saying that it MIGHT be racism, but I need to see the evidence. And what you have provided is not evidence. The only legitimate evidence would be a study which shows that black people are given higher sentences than white people for the same crime even if they are from the same area. None of your sources are anything close to this!

You're confusing two separate things. HRW, APA and Stanford are not making the case that black people do not commit more crime than white people! So it's doesn't contradict Joshua Boyd's article! You called it an opinion piece, but it's based on data! He includes his sources! It's clear that black people commit more violent crime than white people.

Where does my source say that it's "about who got arrested?" Here it is again: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

And the violent crimes which ARE solved, black people commit more of!

Where did you get "0.46" from?

Your drug sources include arrests!

I found your link: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-0858-1

Why doesn't it mention racism in that article?

 

Again... you only rebuke is to question the professionalism of APA, Stanford and HRW, with nothing to back it up.
You lost the argument that the US got racism institutionalized.

The traffic stops include all crimes.

So you got nothing.

HRW, APA and Stanford make their case about institutionalized racism. That's my point.

It says so where it says offenders. You go argue that when the cops counted the amount of offenders, that they did not arrest them.

So what. I already proved that black people are overrepresented in solved drug related crimes, while white people do more drug related crimes.

"46% of all violent crime remains unsolved"

Indeed, and who sells and uses it too.

It says "The threshold test provides evidence of racial bias in search decisions.", and you're still thinking racism is not mentioned?
Some reading skills you got.

 

crime stats right here. numbers do not lie. pretending racism is the problem is cute and trendy and has been proven false.

https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

 

@notme isn't interested in FACTS!

 

"The survey provided no evidence that, in places where blacks had most of their contacts with the criminal justice system, the system treated them more harshly than whites." https://www.ojp.gov/library/abstracts/no-racism-justice-system

"No evidence of racial discrimination in criminal justice processing" https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913000470

What do traffic stops have to do with murder?

We BOTH have no concrete evidence! We're even!

Which has nothing to do with black people committing more crime than white people.

Quote it! Here it is: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

Okay, so you're EXCLUSIVELY talking about drugs? No other crime?

But your part of your source USES arrests! So then how can you trust it if you think that arrests cannot be used?

 

We've discussed this over and over. This is about -and it says so on the page- "number of arrests".
There is no link between who predominantly does the crime and who gets arrested over it.
I proved that with who the police stops and searches and who the police arrests for drug related crimes.
And I already sourced that the police is far from being able to solve all violent crimes.

You 2 just don't like the facts.

 

Ireland has the 7th highest per capita GDP in the world. Higher than the USA. $78,000. You do not know what you are talking about. They are a country of just 5 milion people have an economy that is almost half a trillion dollars.

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/ireland/#economy

Going back to the 90s Ireland made their country an attractive place for tech companies to invest. They have one of the lowest corporate tax rates(12.5%) in the world.

They do have a higher incidence of alcoholism so more crime and social problems from that.

 

The Democratic republic of the Congo should be one of the most peaceful places on earth for women.

No white people!
No MAGA!
No Trump!
No republicans!
No rednecks!

So why then is it the worst place on earth for women?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence_in_the_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo

Here is a quote from a 16 year old male there. This guy would make a good democrat politician if he came here. Justin Fairfax could be his mentor.

We have been told by CNN that white men are the most dangerous. Well there are none there.

 

That source does admit that black people systematically get slapped on with more "serious offenses".
My sources of HRW and APA say that this is the institutionalized racism and this is where black people are treated unequally.
Maybe bother to read a source.

That source actually admits there is a racial disparity, and explains it by basically saying it's due because black people are dumber than white.
So you put up a source that glorifies scientific racism. The nazi's also had their idea's about the "master race". It's a extremist far right wing myth.
And I'll will not respond this that again.

The traffic stops prove there is not only a link between who is more criminal vs who they arrest, and points the smoking gun at the white population that they might be more criminal.

I have concrete evidence from the APA, HRW, Stanford, Nature etc.

My point has always been about institutionalized racism is there and black people are at the short end of the straw.

It says "black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data". So they know why broke the law. You go tell me, that when the cops know who offended the law, regarding a homicide, that this is not about who they arrested. Obviously this is not about the unsolved cases, which are staggering. I proved that before.

Your source says:
While it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system


Obviously you're even further down the road of being just naïve, but are refuse to accept the fact that it is so.

You think those almost 100 million traffic stops Stanford examined were ALL drugs related?

It also is about who uses and sells it, and you think it's still only about who gets arrested?

 

There most certainly are crime stats that show who does a crime and who gets arrested. it's been posted here several times, but you're too busy being an SJW to read.

 

I posted 2. Drugs, and random people being stopped and searched in traffic.
Both say that white people are more criminal, yet black people get stopped and so arrested far more often.

 

Uh yeah, because they COMMITTED more "serious offenses!"

If that was CONCRETE evidence, then Congress would have used it to say that it's a FACT that there is institutional racism! Not even radical Democrats are doing that! Your sources are STUDIES, not CONCRETE evidence! Again, I'm totally OPEN to it being racism, whereas you're not open to it NOT being racism!

You go tell me, that when the cops know who offended the law, regarding a DRUG CRIME, that this is not about who they arrested.

And the violent crimes which ARE solved, black people commit more of!

How convenient for you to selectively quote. Here it is in CONTEXT:

"There is evidence in the official police-recorded figures that black Americans are more likely to commit certain types of crime than people of other races.

While it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system, victim reports don’t support the idea that this is because of mass discrimination."

It all depends on why the cars were stopped. I can't help but guess that the majority of the time a car is stopped, it is related to a TRAFFIC violation. That just seems logical to me.

No, its obviously also about who uses and sells it, but part of your source is who gets arrested. So I don't understand how you can trust it. You based all of your math on it!

 

You're making it up. My sources say this is the institutionlized racism part.

That's your opinion. And I don't care about your opinion.
My sources clearly states that there is institutionalized racism.

So what. Black people are arrested more often with traffic stops, Black people are arrested more often due to drugs. It doesn't mean a thing. I proved that white people are the bigger criminals on both accounts.

You can quote it in context all you want. It still mentions something about racism in the US criminal justice system, and about people... LIKE YOU... who deny there is racism. That is the point!

I have no interest into victim reports saying how an uncaught black person did something when racism is so present in the US culture according to APA.

Point remains... white people have more infractions with the law, yet black people are targeted far more often.
Institutionalized racism is the point. I proved it. You're just pushing irrelevant goalposts.

The graphs show that white people deal/sell more drugs than black people.
The graphs show that black people get arrested more over it.
With the graph it's possible to calculate the discrepancy ... and cops push black people +300% over their weight.
I fail to see where this can't be trusted.

 

what you posted is not from a credible source because you're all about being an emotional SJW and not the facts as reported by not only state but federal crime officials.

all you have is fiction driven by trendiness.