Race and Crime

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Discrimination by the government?
     
  2. Conservative Democrat

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    I think that the civil rights legislation was a well intended mistake. Nevertheless, I believe it would be unwise to try to repeal it. I would like for it to be interpreted in ways that prohibit affirmative action programs. I am also in favor of race profiling, and reducing or eliminating Temporary Assistance for Needy Families.
     
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    It is true for all blacks. African Negroes have average IQ's of 70. American Negroes have IQ averages of 85. American Negroes benefit from better nutrition, and some white IQ genes.
     
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    Why does that matter though?
     
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    Why unwise?

    Why does reducing or eliminating Temporary Assistance for needy families have to do with race?
     
  6. Conservative Democrat

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    It matters because they delusion of intrinsic racial equality is used to justify affirmative action programs.
     
  7. Conservative Democrat

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    The civil rights legislation has been followed by increases in black social pathology.

    An American Dilemma: The Negro Problem and Modern Democracy was published in 1944. It was written by Dr. Gunnar Myrdal. He was a Swedish academic who in 1974 won the Nobel Prize in Economics. In An American Dilemma Professor Myrdal acknowledged that blacks have higher rates of crime and illegitimacy than whites, and that they tended to perform less well academically. He claimed that these problems were caused by racial discrimination, and that when blacks were given equal rights they would perform and behave as well as whites. An American Dilemma inspired the civil rights movement. I was aware of the argument, and agreed with it, before I was aware of the book.

    Racial discrimination was outlawed during the 1960's. The War on Poverty was declared. Now blacks are discriminated in favor of with affirmative action programs. Unfortunately, they have not emulated whites; whites have emulated them. White rates of crime and illegitimacy have risen. Black rates have risen even higher.
     
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    Temporary Assistance for Needy Families enables unmarried women to raise illegitimate children. Blacks have an illegitimacy rate that is over twice the white rate.
     
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    And what would eliminating Temporary Assistance achieve?
     
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    Are you saying that if civil rights legislation was repealed, wide spread discrimination would break out across the country?
     
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    It that ALL that justifies affirmative action programs?
     
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    The belief that the races are intrinsically equal is the only legitimate justification for affirmative action. It happens to be untrue. The truth about affirmative action programs is that they deny whites and Orientals the positions they deserve and they advance blacks to positions where they cannot perform adequately.
     
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    That is hard to predict. I used to have a friend who was a restaurateur. He would sometimes rent his restaurant to a group for a party. Once in private he told me that he would not rent to blacks if he could avoid doing so. He said that blacks were rude to the waitstaff; they pilfered eating utensils; they tipped little or none. Once a fight broke out, destroying some furniture. He had to call the police. He told me that he did not have those problems with other groups. Even Hispanics behaved better. I have a sister who worked for one summer as a waitress. She told me the same stories. On the other hand, when I have dined in a restaurant I have not noticed bad behavior from the black diners.

    If the civil rights legislation was repealed. I suspect many employers would have policies of not hiring blacks. This would be because of the problems they had had with blacks hired because of affirmative action. For similar reasons many landlords would stop renting to blacks. Many home owners would refuse to sell their homes to blacks, out of concern for their white neighbors. When blacks move into a white working class neighborhood the crime rate rises. This is not true in expensive neighborhoods. The few blacks who can afford to live there are fairly decent people. This gives affluent whites an unrealistic opinion of most most Negroes.

    Blacks have had two generations to demonstrate that they can perform and behave as well as whites. Most have failed to do so.
     
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    It would stop enabling unmarried poor women to raise illegitimate children.

    Among mammals and birds, when a female does not need the help of a male to raise her young the males fight for the opportunity to copulate with with the females. Males are more belligerent than the females, and usually look different. One would think that male eagles would have more interesting fights than male chickens. Nevertheless, eagles are monogamous, so the males do not fight. Roosters do fight each other. They also look very different from hens.

    My theory, which is a theory rather than a conviction, is that Temporary Assistance for Need Families contributes to the high rate of black on black homicide. In the black underclass black men may be fighting for sexual access to black women.
     
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    Should it be eliminated all at once?
     
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    Couldn't he just say that it's not available on the requested date?

    Policies which are made public?

    They can now. Just not on the basis of race.

    Yes, it's tragic. It's not an easy problem to fix.
     
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    Well YOU'RE not saying that it's a legitimate justification for affirmative action, are you?
     
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    I should have worded my statement better. It is not a legitimate justification for affirmative action, but it is the only one that comes close.
     
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    I always thought that the justification for affirmative action was simply that black people are disadvantaged and they should be given an advantage.
     
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    In order to give them that advantage it is necessary to lower standards for them, and to discriminate against whites and Orientals. I have worked with beneficiaries of affirmative action. Their incompetence was obvious to everyone. Their presence was resented by everyone.
     
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    Yes, but aren't I correct that this is the justification?
     
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    It is not a legitimate justification. By every objective, measurable criterion blacks tend to be significantly less intelligent than whites. That is not because of the legacy of slavery or Jim Crow legislation. It is because white and blacks have evolved in response to different population pressures lasting for thousands of years. Different evolutionary pressures are also responsible for different rates of crime and illegitimacy.
     
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    All of which means that blacks are at a disadvantage, right?
     
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    Do you have a data source to back that up?

    Because I'm not seeing it and US Census data refutes your claim.

    2018 Median Income:

    American Blacks: $43,862
    Cape Verde: $47.281
    Moroccan: $52,436
    Haiti: $57,141
    Jamaican: $62,044
    Trinidad & Tobago: $62,120
    Barbados: $64,588
    Nigeria: $68,658
    Ghana: $69,021
    South African: $98,212

    Granted, South Africans can be Black, White or Colored, but note that the real African Americans have higher median incomes than Whites.
     
  25. Conservative Democrat

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    Two lists you should be looking at are real per capita Gross Domestic Product:

    https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/real-gdp-per-capita/country-comparison/

    and average IQ:

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country

    The countries you list are far down the scale.
     

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