Race and Crime

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Conservative Democrat, Jul 25, 2020.

  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/06/19/race-drugs-and-law-enforcement-united-states
    When asked to close their eyes and envision a drug offender, Americans did not picture a white middle class man snorting powder cocaine or college students smoking marijuana. They pictured unkempt African-American men and women slouched in alleyways or young blacks hanging around urban street corners.[41] At least for the last twenty years, however, whites have engaged in drug offenses at rates higher than blacks.


    You previously endlessly denied it was so when I posted the graphs of the Hamilton project.
    You're just on an endless stream of dishonest comments and questions with as sole goal to deny systemic racism is true.
     
  2. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    The article specifies drug USE!

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/06/19/race-drugs-and-law-enforcement-united-states
    "According to the 2006 surveys conducted by the federal Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), an estimated 49% of whites and 42.9% of blacks age twelve or older have USED illicit drugs in their lifetimes; 14.5% of whites and 16% of blacks have USED them in the past year; and 8.5% of whites and 9.8% of blacks have USED them in the past month.[42] Because the white population is more than six times greater than the black population, the absolute number of white drug offenders is far greater than that of black drug offenders.[43] SAMHSA estimates that 111,774,000 people in the United States age twelve or older have USED illicit drugs during their lifetime, of whom 82,587,000 are white and 12,477,000 are black.[44] Even among powder and crack cocaine users-which remain a principal focus of law enforcement-there are more whites than blacks.[45] According to SAMHSA's calculations, there are 27,083,000 whites who have USED cocaine during their lifetime, compared to 2,618,000 blacks and, indeed, 5,553,000 whites who have USED crack cocaine, compared to 1,537,000 blacks.[46]

    According to the most recent SAMHSA survey, if black and white drug users are combined, blacks account for 13% of the total who have ever USED an illicit drug, 8% of those who have ever USED cocaine, and 21% of those who have ever USED crack cocaine. They represent a comparably small proportion of those who engage in non-possession drug offenses as well"
     
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  3. notme

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    Aha. So you are disputing my sources because you THINK you know better.
    The source I put up is also about who deals it. The Hamilton project does that too.

    Again. Your opinion means nothing. I have proved that systemic racism is true.
    It must be hitting a personal thing how racism works and who does the crime.
    You've been denying it for 4 months now, what I've sourced.

    You either reply with a source disputing it, or else we can wrap this up since you got nothing but a silly personal opinion. lol
     
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  4. chris155au

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    Yep, right here:

    "Although there is little direct research on the race of drug sellers, for example, that which exists suggests a racial breakdown among sellers similar to that among users."
     
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    First of all. You claimed "The article specifies drug USE!" which is simply incorrect, since dealing is mentioned all over.
    And secondly: So what. They do it directly and indirectly .... and mention 7 sources to found their opinion, with footnote 48 through 54.

    You either reply with a source disputing it, or else we can wrap this up since you got nothing but a silly personal opinion. lol
     
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    Sure, but it doesn't say that there are more white people who sell drugs than black people.
     
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    The sources are about that drug users get the drugs from people of the same ethnicity. So when whites use more, means they also sell more. How hard is that to understand?

    And I note you refuse to reply with a source disputing the conclusion. So the conclusion stands. I am also no longer interested in what your opinion is about a source.
     
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    So what if there are more white drug dealers? That means racism?
     
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    I already proved that with 6 sources.
    Cops, due to their systemic racism, end up arresting black people for drug offenses at a much higher rate then whites, while whites do the same or even more drug related crimes. And you failed to disprove it with a source.

    the conclusion of my previous source:
    The significantly higher rates at which blacks are arrested and incarcerated on drug charges relative to the rates of whites raise a strong inference of prohibited discrimination that could be countered only if the disproportion were justified. The rates bear no relationship to rates of offending; to the contrary, the evidence is clear that whites engage in drug offenses with relative impunity compared to blacks. The underlying motivation of the war on drugs was infused with racial views and concerns adverse to blacks.
     
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    No mention of conclusive systemic racism.
     
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    Says you. While my last source says "racial views and concerns adverse to blacks" on the topic of drugs arrest in the US as a whole, I got 5 other sources that conclude it's racism. You keep on losing the argument with your opinion. You've been losing this for months now... so I'm not interested anymore in your opinion, so do you got a source to dispute this?
     
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    And more unarmed whites are killed by police.
     
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    Why don’t you start a movement then…,
     
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    More unarmed whites are killed by police, yet we don't hear about it when it happens. I wonder why that is!
     
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    Just a guess, but white terrorist activity is more prevalent then anyother. Maybe cops are just as scared shtless of white guys too. Start a thread then.
     
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    You complained about the George Floyd killing! :roflol:
     
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    Only in raw data. Not per capita.
     
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    Your own sources dispute what you are saying because they do not mention systemic racism!
     
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    Seriously. Just reread what you posted.
     
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    Blacks commit the most crime. SIMPLE!
     
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    Huh ? Really ? Blacks committed more crime then whites in the US ?
     
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    Per capita? ABSOLUTELY!
     
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    that’s not what you said. You said, more crimes are committed by blacks. Per capita means something for blacks but means less for whites. You can avoid higher rates of black crime by moving out of black dominant areas. These higher rates maybe in some states in black communities and among blacks most often. Even black families may choose to move. Not white crime, they’re fking everywhere.
     
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    No, I said that Blacks commit the most crime.
     
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    That's coming from you who first denied the source was about selling drugs as well. lol

    And see that I care that the word "systemic" isn't mentioned in an investigation in the police, nation wide, for years and years that concludes they got racist views. I can still flat out claim with such a damning conclusion that the US police applies systemic racism. It fits the what "systemic racism" means, perfectly. We all know that. :banana:
     

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