Racism, an instinctual nature of separation

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  1. OSO

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    As evolved as we are our society cannot escape the fact that we seperate ourselves based on race. This in itself is not racism but it is a cause of racism. The movement of groups like Black Lives Matter bring us to question the causes of racism. Though, groups like this do not see the bigger picture, and, that is fighting for civil rights is a fight to seperate one group, thus fueling racism. Change in a state of immediacy does not result in the betterment of a culture. Rather, we should bring valid questions to the forefront with an intention of developing a plan for the future. Feeding anger for the sake of change results in rash decisions. My suggestion is that ending racism is impossible but we can control the effects of racism by developing a gradual plan that will lessen animosity. Those who believe there should be equality with the understanding that people are not equal in all areas are on the right track.
     
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    I think you're onto something. I have found that knowing people of other races you look upon as friends, not white, black, yellow, brown or whatever. I have also noticed that people who travel a lot are far less bigoted of other races, customs and traditions.
     
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    Friendship is a start for those who see their race as superior.

    There is a complex set of ideas when looking at different cultures. Some are better suited for one life style while others for another. Determining the contributions of both is what makes a society move forward when talking about racial issues.
     
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    Also putting an end to calling everything racist would help immensely but unfortunately the left clings to it like a 50 year old and the blankie that's been with it since birth.
     
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    Sort of like the melting pot of yore before all of this diversity and hyphenization of America. Taking the best of each culture or race or traditions and discarding the worst. Having us all melt into what one would classify as American. At least that was the idea or goal.

    Around 25 years or so ago when my wife which is from Thailand took her citizenship test, she was taught by INS in her classes getting ready for the test that we have no hyphenated Americans. Regardless of race, color, creed or where one comes from that we are all Americans.

    Not anymore it seems.
     
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    The same people who scream about racism, seem to be the very same people who get their rocks off on hyphenated-Americanism. Oh, sweet sweet irony.
     
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    Most of the people with this approach are the naive "Racism is over" sort.

    The fact is that there's a lot of institutional mechanisms that disproportionately target ethnic minorities, there are no inherent differences between races, and race is a social construct. Black Americans will never be socioeconomically equal until they rise up and demand it, and it seems that might be happening soon with the recent unrest.
     
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    Blacks will never be socioeconomically equal until they start taking responsibilty for themselves and quit depending on the government to do it for them!
     
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    When you say left I tend to think of political leaders. Truth is the vast majority filter what a political leader has to say on the subject because they know the fight against racism isn't done in government it's done by the acts of each citizen. So, there may be a left political agenda but it may not be enlightening for the average person.
     
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    So then why don't prison inmates all just 'get along' as one big harmonious group? After all, they 'live' in a controlled atmosphere. Perhaps we should force them to be together......................wait....................then they kill each other when they intermingle. Hmmmm.
     
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    The future is in education. As well as tolerance and acceptance. In spite of what the media would have us believe we are becoming more tolerant and accepting. My generation is more tolerant than my parents, my children's generation is more tolerant than mine.

    We are not created equal. All should have equal opportunity. Opportunity comes from education. We need an educational system that is more equitable and we can get that through a more equitable distribution of educational funds.

    Racism, TRUE racism is the single biggest problem this world faces. We will never eliminate it. We can reduce it to the point where its impact is negligible
     
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    theory = fact -you
     
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    Spend enough time abroad, and it's not about skin color, but customs and culture.

    Hell, Americans should know about that just by living in the states. That whole multicultural thing going on should be enough to let all of us know that the only difference between us is that some are good, and some are bad.

    Sure there are genetic differences that skew the bell curve a bit, but you disregard those because at the end of the day, it's about people.
     
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    Right, all poor people just need to find their bootstraps already, or buy more money or something.

    I thought people stopped taking that idea seriously after the Reagan administration ended. It's the kind of thing that you only say if you're completely out of touch with the reality of the situation.

    Furthermore: The government operates in the interest of the ruling class. All social welfare for the lower classes is but an effort to placate them while making the least difference possible. The government actually making a positive intervention will only happen when the working class takes control and overthrows the bourgeoisie.

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    I could have listed statistics and studies for all of those, but I wrote it in a bit of a rush as I was about to go somewhere. And now I'm writing this not long after waking up on a pleasant day off, so I don't think I'm going to put that much effort in right now either. Maybe in a few hours.
     
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    For lack of a better word, "Racism" on both sides is the natural state of things. Discrimination is a better word.

    For example, a lion considers a zebra food. The zebra is quite aware it is food for the lion and therefore lives to avoid being food. When intervention attempts to change the zebra's thinking, then its numbers fall to prey for the lion. If a lion is changed to think the zebra is no longer food, then its numbers fall to starvation. Smart lions and zebras live because they know the natural state of things.

    Obama unfortunately was the best hope for this country to possibly change. It is unfortunate because he chose to focus the change on one group rather than all. His own bias destroyed that possibility.

    Steve
     
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    Exactly. It is said life is what you make it and friendships are the same.
     
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    I've spent some time abroad. The people over there are also racists.
     
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    Blah, blah, blah, blah.
    Facts are facts, when people with limited funds blow what little they have on smart phones, big screens, drugs and alcohol.
    They only have themselves to blame, bootstrap that!
     
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    Smartphones are kind of a necessity in our current society. You're expected to be able to be contacted anywhere, at any time. A lot of places won't hire you if they can't get in contact with you by phone. Given the rapidly decreasing price of smartphones, you might as well just buy one for the added convenience.

    Drugs and alcohol, however, are direct symptoms of deep rooted societal flaws. People don't do drugs to feel good, they do them to feel less bad. Look at the psychology of drug users and you'll find that most of them have histories of intense psychological stress resulting from the awful conditions they've lived in.
     
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    LMAO, dude we're talking about poor people on government assistance who don't have a job!

    And please, you are just full of excuses, just like the people we are talking about.
     
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    Ah, the mythical unemployed person who somehow lives more luxuriously than all of those poor, hardworking middle class straight white folk.

    And now we've exposed the root of the deep philosophical flaw with the American right wing. They loathe nuance and complexity. Anyone who fails to reduce a situation down to a hackneyed folk saying is "Making excuses".
     
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    When a group is granted things simply based on race it is offensive . When BLM groups shout offensive remarks at whites it is offensive . When you are denied a job , entrance to a college , or to a safe zone, it is offensive and it is wrong .
     
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    Once again, the Left provides alibis.

    Black people have no agency. They need white people to give them everything.
     
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    It is not loathing of nuance and complexity. It is a distaste for the distortion of facts and fancy obfuscations needed by the Left to prop up a failed worldview which recognizes only one causation for social dysfunction.

    Not everything is white people's fault. (Talk about a simplistic philosophy.)
     
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    The anti-miscegenation attitudes were prevalent in the United States until the 1960s, which is why many Americans still have to live in a post-racial society, burdened by the legacies of slavery and institutional racism. On the contrary, ethnic mixing was encouraged as a positive manifestation of social progress in the Soviet Union and the interracial marriage rate was 22%. America's race relations would improve further, if mixed-race individuals become socially acceptable as is the case with Russia.
     

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