....and that's all you got out of that exchange? Pity, petty, puny. There are lots of racists in South Korea, but groups....not so much, but if we're talking misogynists that is another matter.
If anyone is really interested in what the Red Pill is, I can explain. It has almost nothing to do with InCels -- they use a different term. The Red Pill is the understanding by the growing number of men, that in Modern Western Society, men experience severe discrimination and continuous undeserved demonization by the Media. The discrimination is the following -- discrimination in divorce and Family Law -- 63% longer sentences for the same crime -- Male victims of Domestic Violence are more likely to be arrested then to be helped -- Men accused of Sexual Misconduct are presumed guilty Every Liberal man must remember that those who find him useful will throw him under the bus as soon as he is accused. Anyone who wants to learn about the issues should look at the source. Here.
It's more complicate than that, what do you says isn't absolutly false however. Marriage is dead, with the rate of divorce, it's not a stable institution anymore. A vow that is broken half the time isn't a vow. Yet many boys stay in a classical mindset considering relationships. Few women understand that for a boy, it's a lot of energy, time, sometimes money if he is the one paying the date, which is the most common case, all of that for what ? Often relationships where both people are unhappy.
I red an article, apparently south korean boys are tired to be the only one to have to serve in the army for two years. That can build kind of a resentment.
Are you not against racism? I could not say most young white men are "awesome", but the ones I have known were not racists.
Feminism. Women wanted power and equality not so much alienating men the white men are now the devil so you reaped what you sew not your going to treated like men. These tribes are a natural result where older men are MGTOW or giving up and killing themselves.
I am against racism and that's why I'm against this thread. The definition of racism... " discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. I believe this thread to be rasist towards whites.
Just where did you get the suggestion that this thread was promoting the fact that "one's own race is superior"? The title is racist white boys. Is that every white boy? No....just the racist ones and you're not one of them....according to you.
They already have. Why even bother associating with people you don't like? This is such a Boomer thread start with too many overused tropes and an analysis that lacks both depth and originality. First of all, the take is rather exaggerated and blown out of proprtion - Young White men are not being "radicalised" to become White Supremacists in a number large enough to be significant. White Nationalism is a fringe minority of society who are the laughing stock of majority-society. Secondly, it is rather immature to refer to these young men as "virgins" as a way of ridiculing them. A startegy only suitable for a high school girl and an explanation that does not provide any real insights to the phenomenon. Thirdly, this is - again - not a pandemic and only someone who reads clueless articles written by clueless 40 year old journalists can be fooled to think so. Society is ill. Racial Supremacism is just a symptom and it is not what needs to be treated to cure the illness.
Firstly, every statement you made is "rather exaggerated and blown out of proportion" including "society is ill". Maybe to you and it has its problems but it is better than 50 years ago. You associate with people you don't like by being on this web site and there is a high proportion of the "fringe minority" on here. They can use some perspective on how they got there, as we all could, even you. Secondly, the misogynistic variant of online haters were never called "virgins". Your interpretation is biased and impressionistic. I suggest you read over it again. Thirdly, there you go again, no one called this fringe movement a pandemic and you don't seem to like worldly experienced writers. Too real? Fourthly, methinks thou protests too much. I think my responses have had far more depth and originality than any responses I have received, including yours.
It always depends what aspects of society you are comparing. In many ways, society is much worse today than it was 50 years ago and in other ways it is better. Nonetheless I never said anything about any era being better than the other and this is a discussion for a different thread. Online is not the real world. Offline, people typically do not enjoy associating with people whom they disagree with. "These people are single males that are recruited online and are typically around 25 years old from a blue-collar or white-collar tech geek background, many are gamers, few with girlfriends, and are nerdy boys that sympathize with right-wing terrorism." As can be seen in the citation above, you were clearly dedicated to stick with presumptuous and speculative ad hominems in your introduction to the group that we are supposed to discuss in this thread. And speaking of that, what group is it that we are supposed to discuss? It seems to me that you are just shooting all over the place trying to hit a target; In the introduction you mention White Supremacism and later you start talking about Incels and and "misogynistic internet haters". Judging by the tone of your opening post it sure seems like you think "John 20" and all of his friends will come to your house to kill you for being Black. Nah, you are just disagreeing with the posters who provide actual insight. You do not even understand the vocabulary of these groups yet you use it. You do not even know what a "Red Pill" is. You are just one of those typical old folks who think the youth has gone too far and that the youth of your generation was just so much cooler.
I think what needs to be said about the topic has already been said by those whose words you disregard; (1) Human beings are inherently violent and mimetic and like to find scapegoats to deal with the chaos they live in and (2) family, community, face-to-face-socialising, adulthood and love are shattered institutions of the past leaving the 20 year olds of today to feel lost and alienated. I do not sympathise with neither White Nationalism nor InCels, but I understand where they are coming from and have taken time to listen to their arguments. Even if they have swallowed toxic ideas, there is actually something positive to find there; These young men are actually - believe it or not - thinking. They are reading and they have noticed that something is wrong in their lives and now they are trying to fix it. Many young men who feel lost and alone find inspiration and friendship in White Nationalist circles and then they move on from there to more adult worldviews as they now have jobs and partners and are planning to have children. I find it pointless to scapegoat White Nationalism though since that is not a very neutral way of looking at this very serious issue. Whether it is White Nationalism, Radical Feminism, BLM or [add prefered radical movement of your personal dislike here], it all stems from the same issue.
Yes, it really is not much more difficult than that - Like most problems, the solution is to be found at home, in the neighbourhood and on a broader, local level. It all begins wih the family though. How do you expect a boy to grow up knowing what love is if his parents are divorced? How do you expect a boy to grow up to know what manhood is if he did not grow up with a father? How do you expect a boy to grow up to respect women if pop-culture does nothing but sexualise them and when he has access to pornography 24/7 via his phone? How do you expect a girl to respect men when all she saw growing up was her father and mother fighting? How do you expect a girl to look at serious relationships and motherhood in a positive way when all she ever saw was her miserable single mother? How do you expect a girl to respect herself when pop culture tells her to undress and magasines tell her to have lots of sex? How do you expect a girl to look for love when she is told every man is a potential rapist? How do you expect young people of today to ever grow up when we are of a generation that was placed in daycare from the age of three (or sometimes even younger) only interacting with other kids and far away from the loving environments of a family household? How can you not expect anything but anxiety from a generation that is disencouraged from working in favour of education, postponing their first real life experience to their late 20's? Something that means that this generation is one that grew up with - and were raised by - kids; From the age of three, we do nothing but interact with our own age group and never meet any real adults apart from the teachers most of the children don't respect anyways; Is it really rational to expect young people from a background like this to not be susceptible of radicalisation? How can you expect the generation that goes to school, comes home to use social media to then eat dinner in their own room infront of their Internet connection not to feel lonely? How can the young girls who take selfies they share with the world to get likes from some random person on the other side of the world not help but to feel emptiness? How can the boy who finds purpose in playing videogames not feel that something is missing in his life? Something very important is clearly missing and I guess that thing is connection and by connection I do not mean Wifi.
Ah, a poster who provides actual insight. First, humans are not inherently violent. A mentally healthy person given a choice between a violent or non-violent solution to a problem would choose the non-violent solution. Could you be suffering from the Bad World Syndrome? Every generation has a certain proportion of youth who feel alienated, marginalized from the dominant society but this generation has the internet and some take solace in toxic platforms. These young men are not actually thinking. They are finding scapegoats for why they are feeling this way. They are not trying to "fix" anything. They are blaming races, religions, women for feeling disenfranchised and have an accepting group that re enforces that toxic narrative, but that narrative is false. Their hated victims are not the reason they feel outside normal society. As I said every generation's youth has gone through this. It is growing experience. They reject their religion, their parents politics and question society's rules and mores, but what we have now is different. We have sites on the internet where questioning youth can descend down a toxic hell hole and have their anxieties soothed at the expense of others...and you seem to think that is a good thing. Indeed, most grow up and move on unless they are a bit more unstable than most and go hunting Jews. So I am not "scapegoating" white nationalists. Unlike feminism or BLM they hate and are gun friendly.
Speaking of too many overused tropes and an analysis that lacks both depth and originality. Waah, look at all the problems the kids of today have! What should they do? Get on the internet, have even less social contact and then blame others for it. Brilliant. I am not going to feel sorry for them but I can speak up and let them know I think it is a bad solution to their problem. They need to reject hate.
It really does start with the family. Even children of parents who stay together are at risk because they too are not really around their parents much since both parents are working and they spend their days at daycare, they have baby-sitters and they play alone in their bedrooms and overall spend most on their spare time alone in the viritual world. I think what in this thread is referred to as "radicalisation" can be looked like as a form of addiction as the two very much are the embodiment of a strategy to reduce unresolved trauma. Addiction is reaching rampant numbers and it seems these days everyone has an addiction, if not to a substance it is to social media or even to their own appearence. The root of these problems are very deep and very hard to get a hang of indeed. My view of it is that society is centred around toxiciy and children grow up with lots of various forms neglect and we also live in a society of quick fixes and high time preferences. If you want to use a religious term it is the lack of spirituality that is causing this. I guess you could call it a lack of love, in the deepest sense of the word. And no, it does not have to be something super traumatic like vernal, physical or sexual abuse or anything like that because neglect can take many ifferent shapes and I do think that the culture that we live in today incentivises neglect. If you do not have an empty void or open wound to fill, it is less likely that you will be tempted by bad hehaviours and bad thoughts. I have no professional training in psychology and do not claim to have it. These are just my layman's armchair analysis of society. If there is one thing that defines the soul of contemporary youth it would have to be anxiousness. There is a lot of anxiety and uncertainty bubbling in every interaction and an overwhelming feeling of emptiness and lack of purpose within every action. I am not fan of the theory that tells there is a causation between consumption of entertainment and acts of violence. However, I do think that entertainment is a great reflection of the attitudes held by society at large. For example, this recent study shows that pop music of today is much sadder and contains much more negative emotions than the pop music of 50 years ago. Make of this what you want. I am not saying you should draw too big conclusions from it, but it very clearly shows that "Youth Culture" of today is very much defined by negative emotions. This is not about blaiming anyone for anything. It is about adressing the issues from a point of love.
This is simply not true. If you look at the evolution of our spieces, it is pretty darn obvious that we, deep down, are violent apes. What I shared about mimetic violence and scapegoating is not my own bedroom-theory, they are the theories of anthropologist Rene Girard and they really do make a lot of sense to me. And the youth of the past had other paths to self-destruction. The job of parents is to make their kids not choose those paths and instead guide them towards the paths of happiness. How can they be scapegoating and blaiming others if they are not violent? And why are the youth of today all of a sudden so much more likely to choose these paths of destruction? It is hardly the case that our entire genetics have changed so drastically in just one generation. This has to be the result of a longer trend of destructive, cultural change and my argument here is that that cultural change has resulted in behavioural patterns that lead to neglect. Feminism and BLM are hate-driven groups too and part of the broader picture of what is being discussed in here.
It starts with the family is opinion. There is a French study of radicalized Muslims that found no patterns in family make-up but I am unaware of any like studies on radicalized racists. I have a friend from a good Catholic family and she has a brother who believes in Jewish conspiracies and deeply mistrusts them. He could only have gotten that crap from the internet. That is what is different in the world today and not the fact there are lonely neglected kids, that is nothing new. Your "view of it is that society is centered around toxicity"? Suffering from Bad World Syndrome again. I will give you the increased anxiety and loneliness are troubling today's youth but to turn that into hate only makes their mental health more ill. My aim was to make them aware of that opinion and consider it. Oh, and your comment about popular music's rise in portraying negative emotion, could that be because of the popularity of rap?
Your friend, Rene Girard, would disagree that man is inherently violent. He would say that is mimetic behavior. Not that I agree with his theories. Science has moved on. At adolescence peer groups have more power over their behavior than parents. If they become attached to a peer group, good or bad, parental opinion matters very little. If that peer group tells them it's not their fault that they feel that way and it is because of the "other", an enemy is made that they should hate. You ask two questions. The first made no sense and the second I tried to make the answer obvious. What has changed is a private easily accessible venue where one can vent anxieties and be "liked" for views that gradually may become more extreme.
I doubt that study has gotten deep enough into each and every individual. As I mentioned above, even children from good households can have experienced various forms of neglect and I do think neglect is the driving factor. And why was he alone reading consipracy theories on the Internet? "Making them consdering it" is like blaming them. These kind of issues ought not to be treated with blame, but with love. No, I literally included the link to the study in that post and very clearly underscored it to make it clear it was clickable. The study is based on the Billboards Top 100 and that consists of all kinds of popular music.
