Raider fans you are either an OAKLAND Raider fan or not a Raider fan.

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    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    John Gruden same as John Madden and other former OAKLAND Raider players and coachs,is a TRUE Raider fan unlike a couple of fraud fake raider fans here that have posted on this thread.

    cheers to you john,you are a TRUE Raider right up there with John Madden.:applause:

    Jon Gruden doesn’t want that. The former Raiders head coach said he doesn’t like the sound of “Las Vegas Raiders.”

    http://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/raiders/gruden-big-believer-tradition-wants-raiders-stay-oakland

    Las Vegas Raiders is every bit as much a retarded name for a football team as Los Angeles Raiders was.It did not work.
     
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    since no intelligent posters have come on here other than robert and bleedling head ken,i am forced to talk to myself here since all my points go ignored by the fake vegas fans who call themselves raider fans.

    great article,hit the nail on the head. and great post by this guy below.

    Let’s call it for what it is: an act of desperation from an overleveraged owner with an astonishing lack of business acumen and a major case of buyer’s remorse.

    If Davis moves his $2.4 billion franchise to Las Vegas under the current financial terms, he just might lose the team one day if he’s unable to pay off the huge debt he’s taking on. And judging by the moves Davis made last weekend, nobody is more aware of this alarming possibility than him.
    https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/davis-in-desperate-gambler-mode/Content?oid=12239076

    Great article, hit everything right on. Some great follow up comments too. Customers fuel businesses, not buildings, and the cry poor, blame everyone else Raiders are gonna be as poor as they claim if the Vegas deal happens. While fans here fought to get this team back, and are fighting to keep them, nobody in Vegas cares. People in Vegas wont pay those prices, and as soon as there is more supply than demand PSLs are done. They wont sell in Vegas, LA, San Diego, and sure as hell not in Oakland. 250million, right, no way. The only people on Vegas that are for this deal are the fake fans the Raiders create and the Vegas good ole boys who are getting paid.
    The Greatness of the Raiders is way in the past and the people who made it are gone.

    could not have said it better myself like this true OAKLAND Raider fan said so well and as this article said so well as well.
    well said.:applause:
     
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    gc17 Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm back, when the owners voted to allow the move how would the Raiders have violated the NFL's relocation rules?
     
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    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    uh seriously:rolleyes: just because the owners voted in favor of it does not mean the NFL and the Raiders violated NFL relocation rules.:roflol:

    you really need to get off the deserted island you been living on.:roflol: WHY make rules if you are not expected to follow them?:rolleyes:


    Here is the proof that they do NOT have to follow the rules they set and that are in writing and have been in place ever since the mid 90's but have been violated and broken recently with first the chargers moving to LA and now the Raiders to Vegas.

    This is why I never believed for a second it would be possible for the Raiders to go to Vegas because of rules they have set in place which have been followed since 95 till now.

    If you do your research on this as I have the last couple of years, you will find the NFL has guidelines that they set back in the mid 90's that they are set to follow and have been followed all these years until these last 6 months with the chargers move to LA and now the Raiders being allowed to move to Vegas.

    Here are the THREE guidelines and rules the NFL drew up in the mid 90's and HAD been followed all these years up until now these last 6 months with the chargers and raiders moves. Both *******s Dean Spanos of the Chargers and now Mark Davis of the Raiders have now broken these three rules. Spanos has broken two of them and Davis has broken all three.

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    The NFL rulebook states an NFL owner has to meet with their city and try and work something out with them to stay and remain there.That he has to have ongoing communications with them and work with them. Well BOTH Dean Spanos and Mark Davis both VIOLATED that agreement in the rules.

    Both cities said they tried to negotiate with both owners but neither ever once came to the table to try and meet with them and work something out.themayor of san diego went on the radio many times and complained about it saying Spanos never once came to the table and tried to talk work with them and its very well known Mark Davis NEVER once tried to get anything done in Oakland.thats no secret at all them being the Raiders and everything ,that was all over the news everywhere all the time.

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    the guidelines also state that only if the team has exhausted ALL options and nothing can be worked out,then and only then can the team file for relocation.

    Well San Diego wanted the mission valley site where they have played all these years for the site but the chargers wanted downtown and even though the city did not like it,they said they would so it if they came to the table and negotiated with them,******* spanos never did that and neither did Davis.Hesaid PUBLICLY that he would not stay in oakland even if they came up with a good plan which they DID,that he was going to vegas.

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    the final one they have that had the NFL rules been FOLLOWED as written down,that would for sure have prevented the Raiders from leaving and WHY I never once considered for a second they had a prayer of getting the votes from the owners, is this rule does not apply to spanos and the chargers which is why I always knew there was a 50/50 chance HE could leave for LA, is that a team cannot leave from a major market to a smaller market. Well this rule does not apply to the chargers obviously but it clearly cannot be debated or disputed that it DOES apply to the Raiders.This is the identical and exact as the Rams leaving LA for st louis back in 95 going for the 2nd biggest media market in the country to a real tine one,the 38th biiggest the FACT that Oakland is the SIXTH biggest media market in the country where vegas is even more tiny that St Louis ranked even lower at 44th I believe.

    the owners were very angry with then Rams owner Georgia Frontiere when she moved the Rams out of LA to that small hicktown in st louis,they at first in a majority vote voted against it only changing their vote later in march around this time back then approving of it.Well the Raiders going from Oakland to Vegas is the identical to that and no different yet the owners ARE in favor of this after setting up rules for this NOT to happen anymore?

    Okay how anybody can still follow the Lying NFL after this and support these greedy *******s anymore is beyond me.wait until they take YOUR teams from you in the future.dont think it will happen,then you are clearly in denial,it will,it has clearly become a merry go round circus now.:cuckoo:
     
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    oh that is just for starters.here is still more. the thing that is very dissapoiting to me is the city of san diego is not suing the NFL as Oakland is prepared to do when the raiders try and move there,it is very dissapointing cause they have just as much of an airtight case against the chargers and the NFL as Oakland does. I said back then that the city of Oakland would not take this move lying down as SD has and to their credit,they have NOT.:rock_slayer:

    City of Oakland: Sue to keep the Raiders brand in Oakland.
    Mark Davis along with the NFL have lied about the viability of a new stadium in Oakland and haven't made every effort to keep the team in Oakland. Rather than acknowledging that Oakland has come up with viable proposals for a new stadium and moving forward with those options, Mark Davis, along with the NFL, decided they would relocate the Oakland Raiders to Las Vegas so that they may fleece the state of Nevada for over $750 million. As there are viable and ready stadium options in Oakland, the city of Oakland should file suit to keep the Raiders brand, logo, name, colors, etc. in Oakland as Cleveland did with the Browns in BEDER et al. v. CLEVELAND BROWNS, INC.

    the raiders case for staying in oakland is even FAR more tight than the chargers being in LA since as I said,Davis made it perfectly clear he never ONCE had any intention of trying to worlk with the oakland city to get a new stadium which had a VERY VIABLE and solid plan that mother ****er goddel rejected.


    goddel is LEAPS AND BOUNDS the worst NFL commissioner ever,that cannot be disputed.
     
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    Then why all the hand wringing? Calm down and let's see.
     
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    Its just i get sick of it when i have to repeat the same thing over and over again because it gets ignored over and over again when i try and explain to everyone this is not a done deal that Oakland has a very strong case against the raiders and the NFL only to see everybody ignore that statement and act likes its all over with :rolleyes:. Mark my word,this is not over as many people like you have been led to believe.

    I tried to explain to some nutcase earlier this that it wasnt over with,that Oakland is prepared to take this all the way to the supreme court WHEN the raiders TRY and move.He just ignored it though and had nothing but blah blah blah blah to offer.At least YOU are being reasonable now about this unlike him.

    Oakland has hired two of the best anti trust lawyers in the world to represent them.i TRIED explaining that to him earlier that they have been kryptonite against the NFL and have had MANY successul lawsuits against them in the past he just ignored it though and acted like i never posted it.you would get tired of having to repeat the same thing over and over again as well if people just ignored your facts.

    I am glad to see YOU at least are being open minded about this now and understand its not over just yet. it will get very interesting two years from now when they try and make the move. we will be in for quite a ride,count on it.:grin:

    see the NFL LIED saying oakland did not have a viable stadium plan.Ronnie Lott led a group that had a VERY GOOD viable stadium plan that the NFL did not even bother to look at.thats all part of the planned lawsuit in the future. NOW you see? hee hee.
     
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