Hey folks, this is going to be a big one,... So big in fact, that this vote has been split into seven different parts. Original Discussion Thread: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nact-comprehensive-immigration-reform.535480/ The plan here, is that we will vote on each of the parts, each containing a number of items, and at the end of that voting we'll have a list of options ranked from what we feel are the most important to implement down to the least. I'll then go through that resulting list from top to bottom adding each item ranked above the status quo option to a comprehensive plan... with the exception of items that conflict with each-other, in which case, whichever item was ranked higher gets added. In the final (comprehensive) stage, this resulting comprehensive plan will be pitted against others that have been suggested (including a couple by the senate) and we'll vote one last time to see which comprehensive plan we like best. So, for this particular topic of immigration, in order to fully participate in crafting the final resulting plan, you should try to cast a ballot in each of the following threads, particularly the five in the middle... What is the Most Important Immigration Category Needing to be Dealt With? How To Enact Immigration Reform? (Undocumented Immigrants & Visa Overstays) < (You Are Here) How To Enact Immigration Reform? (Immigrants Wishing to Immigrate Legally) How To Enact Immigration Reform? (Immigrants Who've Already Achieved Legal Status) How To Enact Immigration Reform? (Immigration Systems, Security, & Enforcement) How To Enact Immigration Reform? (Foreign Outreach/Other) How To Enact Immigration Reform? (Comprehensive) And I know I always say that its important to rank a lot of options in your ballot, but given the nature of this issue I would say that that goes double for this set of votes in particular. If you want your ballot to be comprehensive and have an impact on the comprehensive results then please try to rank at least one option from each of the main colored letter sections. (i.e. at least one A, B, C, D, E, and F) You can of course, and are highly encouraged, to rank even more than that. Also, please excuse my shorthand... CitPath = Path to Citizenship Probat = Probationary Period/Temporary status ResStat = Permanent non-citizen Residency status GrCard = Green Cards w/i = within mo = months yr = years How To Enact Immigration Reform? (Undocumented Immigrants & Visa Overstays) A0. Undocumented Adult Who Snuck In: CitPath Instant A1. Undocumented Adult Who Snuck In: CitPath after 5-7 yr Probat A2. Undocumented Adult Who Snuck In: CitPath after 15 yr if Reg w/i 3 mo Else Deported A3. Undocumented Adult Who Snuck In: CitPath if Reg w/i 3 mo and here for 5+ years. Else Deported A4. Undocumented Adult Who Snuck In: ResStat after 6 mo if Border Plans and here since 12/31/11 A5. Undocumented Adult Who Snuck In: ResStat if working else Deported A6. Undocumented Adult Who Snuck In: Deported A7. Undocumented Adult Who Snuck In: Deported and Banned for Life B0. Visa Holders Who Overstayed: CitPath Instant B1. Visa Holders Who Overstayed: CitPath after 5-7 yr Probat B2. Visa Holders Who Overstayed: CitPath after 15 yr if Reg w/I 3 mo Else Deported B3. Visa Holders Who Overstayed: Deported and Banned for Life if Overage Over a yr B4. Visa Holders Who Overstayed: Deported regardless of degree B5. Visa Holders Who Overstayed: Deported regardless of degree and Banned for 3 yr B6. Visa Holders Who Overstayed: Deported regardless of degree and Banned for Life C0. Infants Brought by Parent: CitPath Instant C1. Infants Brought by Parent: CitPath after 5-7 yr Probat C2. Infants Brought by Parent: CitPath after 15 yr if Reg w/i 3 mo + DNA Testing. Else Deported w/Parent C3. Infants Brought by Parent: CitPath if Reg w/i 3 mo and here for 5+ years. Else Deported w/Parent C4. Infants Brought by Parent: ResStat after 6 mo if Border Plans and here since 12/31/11 C5. Infants Brought by Parent: ResStat if parent is working else Deported w/Parent C6. Infants Brought by Parent: Adoption by U.S. couple or Deported w/Parent. Parent's choice C7. Infants Brought by Parent: Deported w/Parent C8. Infants Brought by Parent: Tender Age Shelter C9. Infants Brought by Parent: Deported D0. Children Brought by Parent: CitPath Instant D1. Children Brought by Parent: CitPath after 5-7 yr Probat D2. Children Brought by Parent: CitPath after 15 yr if Reg w/i 3 mo + DNA Testing. Else Deported D3. Children Brought by Parent: CitPath if Reg w/i 3 mo and here for 5+ years. Else Deported w/Parent D4. Children Brought by Parent: ResStat after 6 mo if Border Plans and here since 12/31/11 D5. Children Brought by Parent: ResStat if parent is working else Deported w/Parent D6. Children Brought by Parent: ResStat. Citizenship granted after 4 yr military D7. Children Brought by Parent: Deported w/Parent D8. Children Brought by Parent: Internment Camp D9. Children Brought by Parent: Deported E0. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: CitPath Instant E1. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: CitPath after 5-7 yr Probat E2. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: CitPath after 15 yr if Reg w/i 3 mo. Else Deported E3. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: CitPath if Reg w/i 3 mo and here for 5+ years. Else Deported E4. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: ResStat + Resettled in U.S. E5. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: ResStat after 6 mo if Border Plans and here since 12/31/11 E6. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: ResStat if parent is working else Deported E7. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: ResStat. Citizenship granted after 4 yr military E8. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: Internment Camp E9. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: Deported F0. Dreamers: CitPath Instant F1. Dreamers: CitPath after 5-7 yr Probat F2. Dreamers: CitPath and GrCard if Reg w/i 3 mo F3. Dreamers: CitPath after 15 yr if Reg w/i 3 mo F4. Dreamers: ResStat and GrCard + Documentation F5. Dreamers: ResStat. Citizenship granted after 4 yr military or CitPath if obtaining skills to do a job/enrolled in K-12 F6. Dreamers: ResStat if here since 12/31/13 and in school/military/employed. Citizenship after 5 years F7. Dreamers: ResStat if working F8. Dreamers: Case by Case Basis F9. Dreamers: Deported G0. Dreamers not already applied for citizenship given a 6 month Visa and Deported if they have not applied after the 6 months G1. Require Immigrants first pay $500 fine before being granted a 6 yr Provisional ResStat Renewable for additional $500 G2. Immigrants with Provisional ResStat allowed to work and travel in U.S. but are not eligible for federal benefits G3. After 10 Years Provisional ResStat immigrant who's learned English and payed all taxes can apply for Green Card for $1000 G4. Adult Immigrants caught sneaking in who arrive in U.S. after enactment should be deported, added to a list, & banned for life G5. For GrCard, non-dreamer undocumented immigrants must first pay $1.5K fine and serve 4 yr in military, get high-value STEM degree, or be employed 15 yr G6. Require children and parents always kept together, either deported immediately, released on bond w/ankle bracelet, or detained together in appropriate facility $0. Keep Everything About this part of Immigration System Just The Way it is (Status Quo Option) $1. Don't Feel Qualified/Knowledgeable Enough To Vote In This Poll $2. No Strong Feelings One Way Or The Other To participate in this vote, simply cast your ballot by making a post in this thread with a list of the letters sorted in your order of preference. Spoiler: Example Ballot (note letters don't have to be ranked in order): A2, A4, B3, C0, C1, C2, D1, E3, E4, F5, F6, G5, G3 You can still add write-ins here, just make sure that they're related to the specific part your voting in (this one is "Undocumented Immigrants & Visa Overstays") and aren't already included as an option in one of the other parts. Also note that 14th Amendment/Birthright citizenship related options are included in the "Immigrants Who've Already Achieved Legal Status" section. BTW, for those who are new to this, this thread is part of a larger series geared towards coming up with and voting on solutions to society's persistent and pressing issues (this being one of the larger ones). Feel free to check the others out if interested: Ranked Vote: Discussion Thread (includes schedule) What To Do To Reduce Partisan Dysfunction In Politics Solutions Oriented Approach to Restoring Meaningful Civil Discourse Spoiler: Ranked Vote Notification List If you want to be added to the list (or taken off), go to this thread and make a post and or vote in the poll: http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/ranked-vote-contact-list.534668/ @Derideo_Te @Pollycy @fifthofnovember @redeemer216 @BahamaBob @modernpaladin @yiostheoy @Spooky @Jonsa @Crawdadr @Longshot @Distraff @Moi621 @Seth Bullock @Thought Criminal @jmblt2000 @61falcon @mamooth @Chronocide Fiend @Merwen @Bob0627 @fmw @clg311 @Mac-7 @APACHERAT @kazenatsu @Socialism Works @Moonglow @FreshAir @rtts48 @perdidochas @Bridget @Bowerbird @scarlet witch @Andrew Jackson @Sallyally @Kode @crank @Bluesguy @AlifQadr @tealwings @Capt Nice @Moriah @Ndividual @wyly @Woogs @DennisTate @Ritter @Junkieturtle @cerberus @Homer J Thompson @JohnnyMo @Smartmouthwoman @ARDY @reallybigjohnson @Falena @PatrickT @StillBlue @JakeStarkey @Nerd of Liberty @drluggit @PARTIZAN1 @Aleksander Ulyanov @Canell @The Rhetoric of Life @Lucifer @vman12 @btthegreat @Mr_Truth @JakeJ @DoctorWho @Loving91390 Feel free to take your time with this one folks, I know its quite a lot. And also, if you have questions please feel free to ask. Thanks! -Meta
Here's my vote for this one. Generally speaking, I prioritized the handling of infants above older children and that of older children over adults. And if we are to do anything at all with children and infants other than let them stay in the country, then efforts must be made to keep them with their parents imo. For unaccompanied children, I do think the past policy might have been overly generous. If they have a legitimate asylum claim, that's one thing, but otherwise they should have been deported just as fast as any adult. If they're old enough to make it here on their own, they ought to be old enough to figure things out back in their own country after-all, right? With the number who've been here for years and years, I'm open with giving them some opportunities, with conditions, but I think an instant condition-less path to citizenship goes a bit too far. All dreamer-related actions are ranked relatively high because seriously, its ridiculous that we've left such a large class of people with such a vague and questionable status for long. G6,F0,F2,F4,F6,F5,F7,F8,F1,F3,C3,D3,E3,A3,C1,D1,E1,A1,C4,D4,E5,A4,D6,C2,D2,E7,E2,A2,G4,D7,C7,A6,E9,E4,G2,G1,G5,G3,C5,D5,E6,B3,B2,B5,B1,B4,B6,C6,B0,C0,D0,E0,A0,A7,A5,G0,$0,F9,C8,D9,C9,D8,E8 G6. Require children and parents always kept together, either deported immediately, released on bond w/ankle bracelet, or detained together in appropriate facility F0. Dreamers: CitPath Instant F2. Dreamers: CitPath and GrCard if Reg w/i 3 mo F4. Dreamers: ResStat and GrCard + Documentation F6. Dreamers: ResStat if here since 12/31/13 and in school/military/employed. Citizenship after 5 years F5. Dreamers: ResStat. Citizenship granted after 4 yr military or CitPath if obtaining skills to do a job/enrolled in K-12 F7. Dreamers: ResStat if working F8. Dreamers: Case by Case Basis F1. Dreamers: CitPath after 5-7 yr Probat F3. Dreamers: CitPath after 15 yr if Reg w/i 3 mo C3. Infants Brought by Parent: CitPath if Reg w/i 3 mo and here for 5+ years. Else Deported w/Parent D3. Children Brought by Parent: CitPath if Reg w/i 3 mo and here for 5+ years. Else Deported w/Parent E3. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: CitPath if Reg w/i 3 mo and here for 5+ years. Else Deported A3. Undocumented Adult Who Snuck In: CitPath if Reg w/i 3 mo and here for 5+ years. Else Deported C1. Infants Brought by Parent: CitPath after 5-7 yr Probat D1. Children Brought by Parent: CitPath after 5-7 yr Probat E1. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: CitPath after 5-7 yr Probat A1. Undocumented Adult Who Snuck In: CitPath after 5-7 yr Probat C4. Infants Brought by Parent: ResStat after 6 mo if Border Plans and here since 12/31/11 D4. Children Brought by Parent: ResStat after 6 mo if Border Plans and here since 12/31/11 E5. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: ResStat after 6 mo if Border Plans and here since 12/31/11 A4. Undocumented Adult Who Snuck In: ResStat after 6 mo if Border Plans and here since 12/31/11 D6. Children Brought by Parent: ResStat. Citizenship granted after 4 yr military C2. Infants Brought by Parent: CitPath after 15 yr if Reg w/i 3 mo + DNA Testing. Else Deported w/Parent D2. Children Brought by Parent: CitPath after 15 yr if Reg w/i 3 mo + DNA Testing. Else Deported E7. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: ResStat. Citizenship granted after 4 yr military E2. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: CitPath after 15 yr if Reg w/i 3 mo. Else Deported A2. Undocumented Adult Who Snuck In: CitPath after 15 yr if Reg w/i 3 mo Else Deported G4. Adult Immigrants caught sneaking in who arrive in U.S. after enactment should be deported, added to a list, & banned for life D7. Children Brought by Parent: Deported w/Parent C7. Infants Brought by Parent: Deported w/Parent A6. Undocumented Adult Who Snuck In: Deported E9. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: Deported E4. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: ResStat + Resettled in U.S. G2. Immigrants with Provisional ResStat allowed to work and travel in U.S. but are not eligible for federal benefits G1. Require Immigrants first pay $500 fine before being granted a 6 yr Provisional ResStat Renewable for additional $500 G5. For GrCard, non-dreamer undocumented immigrants must first pay $1.5K fine and serve 4 yr in military, get high-value STEM degree, or be employed 15 yr G3. After 10 Years Provisional ResStat immigrant who's learned English and payed all taxes can apply for Green Card for $1000 C5. Infants Brought by Parent: ResStat if parent is working else Deported w/Parent D5. Children Brought by Parent: ResStat if parent is working else Deported w/Parent E6. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: ResStat if parent is working else Deported B3. Visa Holders Who Overstayed: Deported and Banned for Life if Overage Over a yr B2. Visa Holders Who Overstayed: CitPath after 15 yr if Reg w/I 3 mo Else Deported B5. Visa Holders Who Overstayed: Deported regardless of degree and Banned for 3 yr B1. Visa Holders Who Overstayed: CitPath after 5-7 yr Probat B4. Visa Holders Who Overstayed: Deported regardless of degree B6. Visa Holders Who Overstayed: Deported regardless of degree and Banned for Life C6. Infants Brought by Parent: Adoption by U.S. couple or Deported w/Parent. Parent's choice B0. Visa Holders Who Overstayed: CitPath Instant C0. Infants Brought by Parent: CitPath Instant D0. Children Brought by Parent: CitPath Instant E0. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: CitPath Instant A0. Undocumented Adult Who Snuck In: CitPath Instant A7. Undocumented Adult Who Snuck In: Deported and Banned for Life A5. Undocumented Adult Who Snuck In: ResStat if working else Deported G0. Dreamers not already applied for citizenship given a 6 month Visa and Deported if they have not applied after the 6 months $0. Keep Everything About this part of Immigration System Just The Way it is (Status Quo Option) F9. Dreamers: Deported C8. Infants Brought by Parent: Tender Age Shelter D9. Children Brought by Parent: Deported C9. Infants Brought by Parent: Deported D8. Children Brought by Parent: Internment Camp E8. Unaccompanied Child Who Snuck In: Internment Camp -Meta
