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Ranked Vote: What To Do To Reduce Partisan Dysfunction In Politics?

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  1. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah, the point of this thread is specifically figuring out what the best way to reduce partisan dysfunction is. I'm pretty curious to find out what folks think on this myself.

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    Meta777, Jun 18, 2018
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    5 Votes So Far.
    Any other folks out there have an opinion on this?
     
    Meta777, Jun 19, 2018
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    K, I have you marked down for $,
    Out of curiosity, is there any aspect of the issue in particular that you have questions about?
     
    Meta777, Jun 19, 2018
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    I believe that both the left and the right could stand to shift more towards the middle. But it wont happen on its own without some mechanism to facilitate it, even if members of each side really want it.

    My view is that shifting to Ranked voting systems in all manor of elections (house and senate floor votes too) would go along ways to getting us there, because it a) forces voters to think more about the overall situation and range of options they're voting on, making them more aware of the where the space for compromise it, and b) those ranked methods lead to more moderate results, all of which would over time would bring us closer together.

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jun 19, 2018
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree.... ranked voting
    is certainly one of the most promising ideas that I have read about so far. I actually got to participate in several political party leadership campaigns where I could rank my choice for provincial or national leader as first.... all the way down to tenth.
    (I hate to admit it but Mr. Justin Trudeau was my #2 choice for national leader of the Liberal Party a few years ago)!

    I am attempting to get two political parties to cooperate on what I perceive as a
    pretty serious threat that some people in the town of Truro, N.S., Canada seem to be facing.

    M.L.A. Lenore Zann... proposal for NDP and Conservative cooperation on....



    [​IMG]

     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your situation in the USA is dramatically different from what we have here in Canada where
    we have a third major political party who can so easily end up gaining enough seats to hold the balance of power.

    I quit the Liberal Party in 2015 after they were given a majority government.......
    majority governments tend to behave rather badly...... and sure enough.... that
    has indeed been happening!



    Conservative and NDP unity to destroy Liberals in 2019?


    Charles McVety Ph. D:
     
    DennisTate, Jun 19, 2018
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    I actually don't think that 'gender relations'/associated issues are a particularly strong factor contributing to partisan dysfunction. A few people do seem to have some strong opinions on the matter, but for the most part, the majority of folks just don't really seem to care all that much either one way or the other. At least...that is my assessment based on the membership of politicalforum anyways...

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jun 19, 2018
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Heh, that's pretty cool to hear. So when you used it before, did the process run smoothly? Was there any confusion? And how did you like the process overall? Did the results seem fair?

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    Meta777, Jun 20, 2018
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes..... in the voting for national leader of Canada's Liberal Party at that time.....
    my number one choice was
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Hall_Findlay
    but it was obvious that Mr. Justin Trudeau would win that one.

    There was very little confusion or room for somebody to mess up that system.

    The results were published for all leadership hopefulls......
    and we knew that the will of Liberal Party members had been done.

    In December of 2015 I left the Liberal Party and joined the Conservatives in
    2016. I got to vote for the leaders again. My number one choice was Mr. Kevin O'Leary and
    Mr. Andrew Scheer... who won the leadership race... was my #2 pick.

    I was hoping on arguing over valuation.... .with Kevin O'Leary... so in a way I wanted him as leader
    so that I could squabble and debate with him!


    Letter to Premier Wynne From Kevin O’Leary


    Could a real estate boom plus better Fed policy pay off USA national debt?
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    I see. Yeah, having just two 'major' parties kind of sucks.

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    Nice! You should share your experiences using that voting system with more Americans more often.
    I think Americans could really use insights like those.

    -Meta
     
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    Unless the 17th amendment is repealed, perhaps each State should allow one Senator to be selected by the States rural residents and the other by the urban residents?
    House members too, could be selected in such a manner allowing the rural population to select their proportion of the States allotment of House members rounded to the higher integer.
     
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    Hmm, would the idea there be to create a more balanced mix of rural/urban representatives in the house and senate...rather than having states send for example, 2 rural reps or 2 urban depending on how the state as a whole voted, and likewise for the house? Would senators from the same state, but from different types of areas in the state tend to agree more with each-other than would senators from different states and different areas?..Would they be more able to bridge the gap between opposing views? I think I can see the thinking here, though not sure how effective it'd be.

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    The problem with the Senate is that it is a single seat at a time which means that if the state has a majority for either party the minority is unlikely to ever have a senate representative.

    The solution, IMO, is to have BOTH senators for a state being elected by ranked voting at the same time every 6 years. This gives the minority a better chance of having a Senator.
     
    Derideo_Te, Jun 23, 2018
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    Makes sense...
     
    Meta777, Jun 24, 2018
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    Update:
    Here are the votes I have recorded so far:
    Y,X,V,Z,G,D,E,VoterID
    W,X,Z
    U,Z,J,V,A,C,N,P,L,M,G,I,K,Q
    $
    B,A,U,J,N,M,L,P,K,F,C,Q,R,S,T,W,Z,V,X,I,G,Y,#,D,E,H

    Still anyone's game.

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jun 24, 2018
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    This would generally speaking, give more power to the votes of the rural population than the urban population.
     
    Turin, Jun 25, 2018
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    How could we ensure that senators gave fair representation to both rural and urban areas? Since there are only two allowed per state, it'd be tricky. Perhaps though STV would work just as well for senators as it would for house reps. What do you think?

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jun 26, 2018
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    Area - 97% rural
    Population - 19.3% rural
    An increased voice in politics/government, perhaps.
     
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    Meta777, Jun 29, 2018
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    For everyone else...
    Voting phase ends at the end of tomorrow (6/29).

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jun 29, 2018
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    Thanks LM. Vote Recorded.
     
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    It cannot be reduced by any method you list. All of your approaches require the various parties to share common ground. There is no common ground between conservatives and "progressives".

    Conservatives think the govt is already too big and powerful, progs want to expand the govt and make it even more powerful. There is no middle ground between the two.
     
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