Rantz: Seattle Schools document say math is oppressive, US government racist

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  1. Iranian Monitor

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    Is this supposed to be the updated version of the Aryan supremacy theories that people like Gobineau sprouted? :)

    As someone who actually knows the myths, legends, and history of the people you are clearly confused about, i.e., the ones living in "Central Russia" (actually they lived across the Eurasian landmass from the borders of China to the Europe), which were actually what would be called the Iranian people -- myths, legends, and history recounted in 50,000 poetic couplets and kept alive for posterity in the so-called "Bible of the Iranian people", in the greatest epic ever written, namely the Shahnameh (Book of Kings) of the Persian poet Ferdowsi -- and having the advantage of also knowing what genetics, archaeology, and other subjects show, and being quite familiar with the historical writings about these people, I can help clarify some of your confusion. But you may like your new mythology better and so it could be all in vain.
     
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    This is called indoctrination and it is going on all around the nation. Essentially, when you boil this down it is called mass deception. The left wants to push this mass deception on our easily influenced youth to form strong opinions that are anti-American and anti-Trump in nature. These people push towards the ultimate goal of socialism. They want a profound shift away from the constitution and they are brainwashing our youth to think in radically different ways. The only thing they failed to factor into their brilliant equation is Donald J Trump. And that is why I smile, knowing that the truth will prevail. Trump will not be stopped. The school systems will be fixed and students will discover the "correct" path to knowledge, which is a choice not a given.

    I think Eric Holder sums up the formula to this mass deception (in regards to gun control), very well:

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    So we will simply take YOUR word, with zero sources to validate what you say, because you claim to be the arbiter of wisdom and reason?
    How pretentious, but how typical of the Left.
    Wingnut Leftist nonsense is systematic nationwide. "Public education is a socialist monopoly, a real one." - The Late Milton Friedman

    http://TheEducationFraud.wordpress.com
     
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    Federal funding is a drop in the bucket for education. It's somewhere near 10% of education revenue. You should research the education system in democratic elected majority Baltimore. Baltimore ranks in the top five for spending per student yet,

    Published November 9, 2017
    13 Baltimore high schools, no students proficient in math, report says
    By | Fox News

    One-third of high schools in Baltimore, last year, had zero students proficient in math, Fox 45 reported Wednesday, citing new state testing data.

    Based on 2017 state test scores, 13 out of 39 high school had zero students proficient in math, the report said. Another six schools had only one percent of their students who tested proficient in math.
     
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    This is a bit misleading. Mathematical ability is evaluated at three levels. The first is Basic, which is basically adding, subtracting, dividing and multiplying. The national average is around 80%. The second level is Proficiency, which is the ability to solve problems using algebraic methods. The national average is around 40%. The third level is Advanced which is an understanding of things like trigonometry and conic sections. A working understanding of the quadratic equation and complex numbers. The national average is a few percent. This, of course means that those who have mastered calculus and linear algebra must be an even smaller fraction of the population.

    However, statistics show that 70 percent of students have taken algebra classes and about 60% have taken trigonometry and geometry classes. Yet only 40% of the students are Proficient. This means that 1/3rd of high school students who take algebra, trigonometry, and geometry fail to lean the material.

    This trend continues into college. Most science and engineering degrees require a sequence of courses that includes two semesters of calculus, a semester of differential equations and two semesters of physics, classical mechanics and electromagnetism. Only 40% of those who attempt it succeed.

    Mathematics is cruel to those who can't keep up.

    Judge yourself accordingly.
     
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    You wouldn't be aware of the Yamnaya people would you. They lived in the steppes which is now in Russia. A group of them migrated to Iran taking their language with them, which is why Farsi is in the same language family as European languages such as German. Why Iranians are genetically different from Arabs.

    Another group of them migrated westward and merged with the artic Europeans which eventually became the battle-axe culture, the only culture to be so characterized. It was their descendants who put an end to the Roman expansion.

    Thus, the argument can be made that Scandinavians and Iranians have a common ancestor. If you go back about 5000 years.
     
  7. Iranian Monitor

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    Regarding the "Yamnaya people", what I have noticed ultimately is different group of scholars trying to fit the facts into their different narratives. But, regardless of which narrative you like to subscribe to, none of it give the easy and clean picture you like to present!

    In the meantime, none of these narratives does anything that would change the things I actually know about the "Iranian people" from the sources I have been exposed to and which I alluded to in my post.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture
    Even though the Book of Kings starts with a 'mythical age' which supposedly takes us to when humans first appeared, and that mythology uses the parables told and retold from one generation to another about events going back to the midst of times, so far so good. Lets say the Yamnaya were the "PIE" and their homeland the place where they originated from. Fine with me.
    So even the original PIE were ultimately a "mixed lot". This makes sense to me too:) Based on things I know that few people who truly understand the mythology of the "Iranian people" would know, when they also have nothing to prove per se and use their other 'western sources' a bit more objectively and less to prove a point that can't be proven at all.
    Interesting, even more so, because it might even throw a good deal of light on the "Turan" people in Iranian mythology. But I am not sure the "European half" of the Yamnaya people you want to promote are supposed to be "Mongloid" people!
    Different narratives, but one real truth again: a rather mixed lot! Even if the "Near Eastern" portion of Yamnaya DNA is actually much closer to the "white race" you want to promote than "Eastern European" portion:)
    I think I know these people:--)

    The myth of a "Nordic" people spreading civilization to anywhere is just myth. The ancient Persians had DNA were much similar to their modern counterparts. The Iranian people, more generally, were a mixed lot even when they were spreading their language and culture through the vast expanses of the Eurasian steppes and mixing and mingling, learning and teaching, conquering and being conquered, by other people of a different tradition. One of these Iranian people, namely the Scythians, were distinguishable in their appearances for not just the Persians and in Iranian mythology, but for the Greeks and even the Romans, compared to how each saw themselves and how they described others. These Scythians - a nomadic, rather barbaric bunch - were the closest thing you will find to your "Nordic", "PIE" speaking, people. But even though rather distinguishable physically (although a mixed lot themselves anyway), these Scythians were also distinguishable for not being really civilized! Or, put differently, the civilizing element in Middle Eastern history no more comes from the "Scythians" than the civilizing element in European history comes from the "German barbarian tribes" which conquered the Roman empire!
     
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    There are other instances of this nonsense going on across the USA.

    Common core

    Teaching inside the box, instead of allowing teachers to be more creative with teaching techniques.

    Teaching to the test.

    Standardized tests.
     
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    I judge myself everyday. Here is a CBS/AP article from '05 that speaks of the U.S. education being #1 in the world as recently as '85.

    U.S. Education Slips In Rankings



    SEPTEMBER 13, 2005 / 10:14 AM / CBS/AP

    The United States is losing ground in education, as peers across the globe zoom by with bigger gains in student achievement and school graduations, a study shows.

    ......By both measures, the United States was first in the world as recently as 20 years ago, said Barry McGaw, director of education for the Paris-based Organization for Cooperation and Development. The 30-nation organization develops the yearly rankings as a way for countries to evaluate their education systems and determine whether to change their policies.

    Please post the source of these current statistics because I find it incredibly difficult to believe that 60% of American high school students are currently taken trig. Algebra, Geometry and Algebra II are prerequisites for trig and with a current world ranking in math of 35 there is no way even 20% of U.S. high school students are admitted in a trigonometry class much less 60%.
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    After a second glance at your post I found that this part of your post is mathematically impossible. If 70% of US students have taken algebra and 60% of US students have taken trig and geometry that means that 6/7 or 85.71% of US students that have taken Algebra, which is a prerequisite for geometry, are proficient in Algebra. Not the 40% proficiency rate that you are claiming. Just an observation.

    Posting sources to back your claim is always necessary.
     
  11. Iranian Monitor

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    History is written by victors of wars waged. Statistics are easily manipulated -- and more so (in fact, especially) when they aren't conducted in a scientific manner by partisan hacks. But I agree: math doesn't lie.

    The last International Mathematics Olympiad (2019) was held in Israel, which Iran of course didn't participate in. But Iran remains the only country outside of the Europe and Asia to have ever finished first place in the International Mathematics Olympiad. Indeed, if you take Iran and compare it to Western European countries (including those of similar population), our medal count looks very good compared to them.

    All "low IQ" people around the world (never mind the data underlying global IQ rankings is entirely bogus and a case of 'garbage in, garbage out') should take inspiration from Iran. (If the gold medal count would put the US in first place, it would have probably been already tabulated in hierarchical order and rankings the same way athletic Olympic medal count is. And that would have saved me some trouble too!).

    https://www.imo-official.org/results_country.aspx

    Country/..First Participation/....Participation/.. Participants:.All..Male..Female/.......Awards (Gold, Silver, Bronze, HM)
    *HM= Honorable Mention or 4th place
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    P.R. China.. 1985/.... 34....... 200: 192/8..........................157 (G) 35 (S) 6 (B) 0 (HM)
    France/.......1967/......50/... ...319: 282 12/...................... 24 (G), 61 (S)117 (B) 26 (HM)
    Germany/... 1977/.....42/.......258: 248 10/.......................51 (G),100 (S) 79 (B)15 (HM)
    India/.......... 1989/..... 31/.......186: 178 7/........................12 (G),70 (S) 69 (B) 28 (HM)
    Iran/............ 1985/.....34/...... 199: 191 8/ ........................45 (G), 97 (S) 43 (B) 4 (HM)
    Iraq/............ 2016/......4/......... 21: 20 1/.......................... 0 (G) 0 (S) 0 (B) 2 (HM)
    Israel/......... 1979/......38/........226: 211 7/.......................14 (G), 55 (S) 98 (B) 23 (HM)
    Italy/............ 1967/.....40/........233: 218 9/.......................15 (G), 40 (S) 71 (B) 35 (HM)
    Japan/......... 1990/.... 30/.......180: 177 3/....................... 42 (G), 82 (S) 45 (B) 5 (HM)
    Mexico/........1981/.....34/....... 202:195 7/.........................3 (G), 26 (S), 64 (B), 39 (HM)
    Nigeria/.........2006/....12/........61: 55 6/............................ 0 (G) 0 (S) 5 (B) 14 (HM)
    Pakistan/...... 2005/....14/....... 77: 68 9/............................ 0 (G) 1 (S) 7 (B)16 (HM)
    Russia/.........1992/.... 28/.......168: 156 12/........................99 (G), 57 (S) 12 (B) 0 (HM)
    Saudi Arabia..2004/....15....... 85: 74 7/............................. 0 (G) 7 (S) 29 (B) 10 (HM)
    South Africa...1992.... 28...... 168: 153 15/........................ 1 (G) 9(S) 46 (B) 63 (HM)
    Spain ............1983.....37....... 216: 207 9 177/................... 0 (G) 5 (S) 51 (B) 56 (HM)
    Turkey ...........1978....36....... 218: 209 9 154/....................19 (G) 60 (S) 83 (B) 14 (HM)
    U.K.................1967....52 .......338: 322 15/......................... 48 (G), 109 (S) 125 (B) 17 (HM)
    USA................1974....45 .......282: 277 5/ ..........................130 (G), 112 (S) 29 (B) 1 (HM)

    p.s.
    Once upon a time, in the last century, people - not just in Germany either - were told that the "Jews" were in inferior, "Semitic" race. Now days, the same people claim the Askhenaz actually are the new master race (albeit because of their supposed "German" heritage). Never mind that representatives of this new master race, participating longer and with more participants than from Iran, have only a fraction of our Gold medals in the mathematics Olympics. The more likely truth about the Ashkenaz is that they are actually a Slavo-Iranian people, descended from Slavo-Iranians, and speaking of course a language (Yiddish) developed by and heavily incorporating Iranian terms!

    https://theconversation.com/ashkena...led-by-scientists-thanks-to-ancient-dna-97962
    http://www.sci-news.com/genetics/yiddish-language-slavo-iranian-jewish-merchants-03797.html
    Yiddish Language was Invented by Slavo-Iranian Jewish Merchants, Scientists Say
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4860683/
    Localizing Ashkenazic Jews to Primeval Villages in the Ancient Iranian Lands of Ashkenaz
     
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    Seems like social studies not science.
     
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    One site is www.nationsreportcard.gov/profiles/stat

    I'm not sure where I got the other numbers from, but it was an education webite.

    Anyhow, just because someone takes an algebra class, and passed it, does not necessarily mean they understood the material. When I put the two data sets together, it appears that there are students who don't quite get algebra yet go on to take trigonometry and geometry classes.

    Calculus, especially differential calculus is extremely simple to learn. But only for those who have a deep understanding of algebra and trigonometry. The fact that so many college students struggle with calculus just shows that not every kid who takes algebra and trigonometry, and passed the classes necessarily fully grasps the material. The same thing that can be seen in the nationalized testing.
     
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    Their should be no federal government involved in education. Each state has educated people already in place who can mange it.
     
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    "Mathematics is cruel to those who can't keep up."

    That's nature. My observation has been that those who can't keep up generally have less in life. And that is exactly how it should be.
     
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    Yiddish is a Germanic language. Ashkenazi Jews' DNA shows them to be part Middle Eastern, part German.
     
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    That 60% is spread over four years of high school and only a semester, so that would make 60 divided by 8 which would work out to 7.5% enrolled at any one time, on average. Yet, only a few are truly grasping the material.

    Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it may be that high schools are teaching water downed mathematics. Kind of like the math they teach fashion and psychology majors.
     
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    Whether there is any real "Jewish" or "Middle Eastern" genetic composition in the Ashkenazi Jews is itself unclear to me. But there is no "German DNA" per se. The DNA that shows European ancestry for the Ashke-Naz (a perfectly intelligible, even in modern Persian, cognate meaning 'nice tears') could as easily be Slavic (i.e., Scyhtian) as it is German.

    While this issue isn't all that significant for me, my own view based on a host of factors is that the Ashkenazi Jews actually have Scythian (Slavo-Iranian) heritage. And while there are Germanic loan words in Yiddish, the language itself ultimately has the same roots as Slavic and other, ultimately, Iranian (or IE) languages.

    To be perfectly clear, I am not insisting this the correct theory about the origins of the Ashkenazi Jews, but I do find a greater correlation between Scythians and Ashkenazi Jews than what is suggested by the opposite theory, even if the "German-ME" ideology fits better with the political ideology of the current Ashkenazi Jews. Hence, that theory is given a lot more credence than it deserves, particularly when you also consult the historical record (and even the Bible) and discover that there were Scythians that were called "Ashkenaz" or some similar derivative, and when you notice to villages and towns which pre-existed the appearance of the Ashkenazi Jews in European history.

    Whatever theory you choose to believe at the end, you should read this article for a discussion of the issue beyond the false dichotomy some like to present and pretend.
    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full
    The Origins of Ashkenaz, Ashkenazic Jews, and Yiddish

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    It's all about the test. Education today is a pathetic thing.
     
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    Make no mistake. The Yamnaya were dark skinned, dark haired Asians. The Nordic people were blonde haired and blue eyed long before they encountered the Yamnaya. However, the Yamnaya are the ones who tamed horses and invented the wheel. They spread out, or more precisely, their culture spread out. It is why the chariots of Persia, Greece, Rome, and China are all so similar. They have a common ancestor.

    Scandinavians have a unique quality about them. In the their ancient graves, they have hygiene products, personal grooming items.

    Blacks like to claim everyone stole their braids, but Scandinavians were braiding their hair for thousands of years before they even knew there was such a thing as a Black person.

    Up until modern times, most people didn't bath with any regularity, if at all.

    Except Scandinavians, who bathed weekly. And you have the stink to call us barbarians.
     
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    Is that the end result. They end up teaching to the test, which leaves too many students void of any deeper understanding.
     
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    Funding for our public schools has been being defunded since the 1990s.
    It has an impact on education, if one isn't funding education.
     
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    Sadly, yes, that's exactly what's happening. The OP here actually is related to the diversity of learning styles. While one part of education's academic elite promotes that idea of diversity of learning styles, testing takes center stage because that's the simplest and most effective way of reducing education down to terms the majority of the public can understand.
     
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    Funding is certainly an issue, but to understand the idiocy imposed on education today, you have to look beyond the money.
     
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    Nordic people began, most likey around where Denmark is. If one looks at a map of the world, with DNA markers, one finds that white skin, blonde hair, and blue eyes emanate from the Denmark/Sweden area.

    England is a divided country. Those in the west, like in Wales the people are Britons, while those in the east are Germanic. They are all closely related to the Dutch and Franks.

    Take this group away, England, Scandinavia, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France, and their people, and modernity would have never happened.
     
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