Rape victims among those to be asked to hand phones to police.

"Victims of crimes, including those alleging rape, are to be asked to hand their phones over to police - or risk prosecutions not going ahead."

That's right, put the burden of proof onto the poor ****ing victim. Next thing will be a requirement for the victim to take the offender into their nearest plod station to save the plod from getting up off their fat arses to do some effing work. What a bloody waste of space our 'police force' is these days.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48086244

 

It wasn’t long ago people wouldn’t use a baby monitor in the home because it allowed people to listen in. Now we obediently carry a tracking and recording device.
A good friend of mine is a deputy sheriff here in California. If he arrests you, he is going to copy your contacts from your phone. It’s creepy A-F but that is where we are today.

 

Good point, but I don't think it's anything sinister in this case; it's just that they're too bone idle to go the trouble of investigating. Their corporate message is 'We take (whatever the issue is) extremely seriously, but don't expect us to actually do anything about it.' Like every other public service in this poor country of mine, they've become bureaucratized, and 'bureaucracy' equals 'indolent and dumb'.

 

A persons cell phone is a great portal into someone’s life, and is valuable in solving crime, same for any electronic device, it’s the first place the cops want to look. Some kook shoots or blows up a place and it isn’t long before we know their browser history, contacts, and political bent. It works well for crime solving. But it still creeps me out. My employer gave me a new iPhone last week, to set it up, I just had to put it near my old phone and all of my contacts, apps, history magically wirelessly transferred. Well isn’t that handy?
It’s to the point here where you get asked for your phone number for every transaction. Check out line at the grocery store, they ask for your phone number, I was buying motor oil the other day and they wanted my phone number, WTF? It’s just motor oil! They come up with an excuse that it’s some rewards program, to which I reply- put your phone number in and you can have the reward. They never do.

 

Fair point I guess. Just as a sidebar though, I don't have a mobile phone, and when anyone asks for my number and I tell them 'I don't have a mobile phone.', they can't believe it.

 

UK? If so they don’t need your cell, they got you on video. Lol

 

LOL Yeah, and even if anyone did hand over a phone to them they'd probably lose the effing thing before getting the info out of it.

 

The more I think about this, the more I'm becoming convinced it's just a ploy to cut down on police time. Only a few days ago it was reported that a woman had to get justice for her (I think) daughter because the police had fobbed her her off - they even told her they'd check all cctv in the vicinity of the crime, but her discovery of relevant cctv was how she found out they'd lied to her, and they hadn't checked any of them. I expect their response was along the lines of 'We're very sorry that we failed on this occasion.' They fail on every effing occasion these days; I don't know why the **** we have them.

 

oh yeah!! I was waiting outside our local train station the other day waiting for the missus to pick me up and noticed a new set of CCTV cameras had been set up, and just casually looking round I could count a further 26 cameras..... and that was no more than a cursory look around from where I was standing!
I thought it polite to wave at them....you never know who's watching you...

 

And so they should. One woman had been texting her friend how she was going to screw the guy she knew then cry rape. The texts came to the attention of the police and the guy vindicated. Those crying rape and turns out it wasn't, should be jailed.

 

Well there's always an exception to the rule? But although I was at first swayed by the notion that handing it over it can indeed identify suspects and is therefore justifiable, I then read the following post made by a very smart member of my other discussion site:

quote Unfortunately for justice in this country, we have a combative system, where the police concentrate on collecting evidence to prove a case.
The defence concentrate on collecting evidence that will be a defence to any charge, or at least reduce it in severity.
What we should have is a search for the truth which collects all evidence available, regardless of who it assists. We also have to bear in mind that the taking of a phone from a victim can be a breach of their human rights. They have a right to a private life, which does not expire at the moment they report a crime. Will they be forced to give up security passwords to give access to the prosecution and defence?
Smart phones have a great deal of personal information on them these days, much of which is duplicated on servers in diverse places around the world. Only a minute amount of that data, if any, might be relevant to the case. How long does it take to go through 64GB of data?
I'm not in favour of this action without the issue of a warrant by a judge citing a very good reason to hand over the phone and password. And I don't mean a Police "fishing expedition". unquote So I'm back to square one - let the police work for a result, rather than just put their feet up on their desk and read the private contents of someone's phone.

 

I just always view it that if you've nothing to hide, what's the problem.

 

I did too, but unless we reject what I copied and pasted above, it's perfectly clear that some things aren't quite as simple as they at first seem to be?

 

Think of it as, "What would you want if you were accused of rape".

 

I would have a 99% alibi, and I guess I'd have to try and talk my way out of it for the other 1%. But I'm a good talker so I probably would be able to.

 

The police in your country are stretched thin. There's a lot more crime in the city areas these days.

 

I can see some civil liberties issues.

But on the other side, it's understandable why the police are demanding this. There have been a lot of cases of young women falsely accusing men whom they willingly slept with of rape. A quick look at their phone could likely reveal whether this woman had met up with the man to get intimate.

The story is as old as Joseph in the Bible. Woman feels rejected by man, accuses him of rape. As the old saying goes, 'hell hath no fury like a woman scorned'.

 

Yep, it sure isn't a cut and dried issue. I've certainly changed from seeing it as a police cop-out (no pun intended lol) to it's being a privacy issue. Let the plod earn their salaries even if they are a waste of space.

 

Well, in some sense a woman who was raped has already lost her privacy.
Still, with all the stupid "hate speech" laws in the UK, it's only a matter of time until we see an instance of a woman who was raped having to hand her phone over to police to get any justice, and then being arrested herself for something silly the police found texted on her phone.

BIG privacy issue, there's no way around that.

Or imagine the woman lives in an unsafe area and texted her friend "Don't worry about me, I have pepper spray". Then when she gets raped a week later and has to hand her phone over to the police, that's used against her. (since it's illegal to have pepper spray there)
Or maybe she just never hands her phone over to police because she's afraid there's something on her phone that might get her into trouble (all sorts of stupid things have been criminalized in the UK) and so they never bother investigating the rape.

 

Indeed so - and you forgot that assisted suicide is also a crime. I'm afraid the inmates have taken over the asylum.

Topically, that suspect for multiple rapes and illegal imprisonment who's refusing to come out of his cell (see link) - the (how I hate the following expression) 'powers that be' have decided that 'if Mohammed won't come to the mountain, the mountain must go to him', and the whole judicial process is to be moved lock, stock, and barrel to the prison he's being held in for the trial to be held in a spare room there, when the intelligent thing to do would be to say 'Okay then, stay in your cell if that's what you want, and we'll reopen the trial in a proper court of law when you decide to come out.'

"Court hearing reconvened at a prison after alleged rapist refuses to leave cell.
A senior judge transferred a court hearing to a prison yesterday in an unprecedented move after a defendant charged with multiple kidnaps and rapes refused to leave his cell.

Chief Magistrate Emma Arbuthnot, told Westminster Magistrates Court that she would take a taxi to Belmarsh prison after Joseph McCann refused to appear for a second consecutive day."

To use that hackneyed phrase, and it's hackneyed because this kind of insanity happens every bloody day here in this madhouse . . . you couldn't make it up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...convened-prison-alleged-rapist-refuses-leave/

 

I certainly agree with you. This is an issue I'm not sure how I how I feel about. It feels bad and gut-wrenching either way.

Believe it or not, there is a corollary to this dilemma that existed even before the advent of cellphones and meetup sites.
When a woman was accusing a man of rape, the defense for the other side would want to have the woman's past (and sexual history) investigated and examined to see if she was a reputable witness. Several states in the US passed "Rape Shield" laws to try to deal with this and protect the woman's privacy in court. Unfortunately these laws have sometimes resulted in injustice. (There might have been good reason why the woman's past should make her accusations unbelievable)
It was a trade-off between the woman's privacy versus ensuring justice for the accused man.
Women involved in prostitution might be afraid to report being raped because it might emerge during court that she was involved in illegal things.

The only way justice can be done is if we can trust those in authority to do the morally right thing. Unfortunately I'm not sure that's the case in the UK. Or really fully in any government.

The UK already invades privacy so much, maybe this is just an insignificant thing by comparison.
Certainly the land of Big Brother.

 

I think the only way out is that if the involvement by either party of alcohol is proven it should then become a civil action between the two of them, and save us taxpayers having to pay for it. Most of the time the woman is pissed, or wearing provocative clothing - in other words, asking for it?

 

Unbelievable, you really are a scumbag.

 

Well perhaps another member will feel the same as you (that I'm a scumbag) but be articulate enough to tell me why.

 

Really?
You can't see why suggesting that a woman is asking to be raped if they have had a drink or wear a short skirt is an apalling thing to say?
You think that unless a woman is teatotal and wearing a burka it is her fault that she is raped?