Discussion in '9/11' started by macljack, Mar 4, 2011.
No doubt you've "neutralized" these people.. What you haven't done is proven them guilty for 9/11.
This has been explained to you over and over at least 6 times. Re-read what I wrote if you want my answers.
Find them yourself if you really believe your buddy Saddam was a saint and didn't gas his own people. Everybody else knows better. I'm sure you'll think this video by the UN is some sort slanted hoax as well.
All the more pity for you and your almost criminal naivety.
http://www.un.org/webcast/2009a.html find.. "Commemoration for the 21st anniversary of the massacre of Halabja." on the page if the video doesn't work.
For the record, I've never claimed to be an expert but I do have some expertise in this situation as I have seen videos that, I'm guessing, 95 percent of the world hasn't seen due to the graphic nature of the subject matter. It comes from living in the real world and working with public health officials who have to gear up for real world threats such as sarin, anthrax, phosgene, etc...
I have seen what it does to human tissue. I know what it looks like. I never want to see it again.
However, (the mods do not want us to get personal so I'll refrain) in the little universe of this forum, I'll be happy to call myself the EOS (expert-on-site) because the views you and some others have expressed are soporific at best--no adult in the supposedly informed public could harbor such views seriously.
I'm heartened that Osama's other friends here--Jack and Stryker--didn't cosign your brazenly despicable viewpoint on Saddams' well documented war crimes. There may just be hope for you guys yet; if you're group is willing to walk back from the brink of utter shame--and you should be ashamed for your statements on this topic--on this front...maybe you can eventually admit that Al Queda did 9/11.
I doubt it but miracles can happen.
No it's not.. You've offered the vaguest explanation, that they just "get" some WMD's...
YOU claimed as your argument how "ridiculously easy" a conspiracy to frame Saddam by the CIA planting and then finding "Wmd's" in Iraq.
You have yet to explain how they actually obtain these "samples", what exactly these "samples" are, how they account for them and/or make them disappear, etc..
Typical tactic though, quite prevelant in the forum.. Dodge the issue for page after page, offering silly distractions and non arguments, then go "I explained it all already" when you never did.
Don't believe that, never said that.. Everyone knows he gassed his own people and Iranians.
What's the problem? Do you enjoy making up a straw man to represent your virtual opponent, or do you just have problems reading and couldn't retain the information when I clearly stated it was his use of biological weapons I was disputing?
Halabja.. Right.. Where CHEMICAL weapons were used...
Have you got a link outlining the use of biological weapons or will you just admit you didn't mean to say that?
So you're the only person in the world who can verify these corpses/pictures showed exposure to biological weapons?
You've not actually got any autopsy reports, medical proffessionals to agree, or any other objective verification of Saddam's use of bio weapons to share?
The ONLY thing you're offering is : "I have seen videos".
Well documented!?!?!?? Wow so my viewpoint is so dispicable because I'm skeptical Saddam used bio weapons like you claimed, and yet this war crime involving bio weapons is "well documented"?
So show me some of this documentation!
The video from the United Nations on this very thread...the UN sanctions...the trial of your buddy Saddam which he was put to death for...I guess the rest of the world is wrong and you are right? Typical twoofer logic.
The video didn't mention Saddam ever having used bio weapons, it was condmenation for his CHEMICAL weapon attacks. Maybe if you had watched your own video you'd have known that. The trial of Saddam? Are you joking? That trial, and subsequent execution, were for Saddam's reprisals against the people of Dujail, their torture and summary executions.. NOT the use of ANY wmd's, chemical OR biological.. That trial had ZERO to do with WMD's, let alone use of biological weapons. Nice try though. And UN sanctions? Name ONE UN sanction or resolution which cites Saddam's use of biological weapons. Name ONE that claims he used biological weapons. And the rest of the world, suchas?
Go on keep pretending people back up your story when clearly they don't.
I don't suspect you'll show me any exhibits from Saddam's trial or verbiage from any UN sanction claiming he used germ warfare.
But go on claim they back you up anyway.
I'm really sorry your buddy was found guilty and was executed.
I was rather happy that justice was served.
I'm sure your bitterness over the topic leads you to try to waste your time focusing on distinctions that make no difference.
How sad. But then again, for twoofers, is there any other emotion?
Report of the Secretary-General on the Status of the Implementation of the Special Commissions Plan for the Ongoing Monitoring and Verification of Iraqs Compliance With Relevant Parts of Section C of Security Council Resolution 687, New York, NY: United Nations, 1995.
This document details Hussein's creation, stockpiling and deployment of biological weapons.
Section C specifically deals with restrictions and sanctions imposed on Iraq for biological weapons.
Any library will have access to it.
HFD is splitting hairs; he reminds me of the boxer who is forced to swallow his teeth every time out then brags that he has a better cutman than the guy how dislodges his teeth. Its a sad state of twooferdom when this is all they have.
Not for the use of biological weapons.. Saddam was never found guilty of the use of any WMD's.. although he did use chemical weapons.
If it makes no difference why do you so stubbornly refuse to admit you only meant to say chemical weapons?
Remember when you called me on some thing I claimed about Bush making a photo op outside the school as well? You INSISTED like a child this was wrong and dwelled on it, yet it didn't change anything about the topic or mean my main point was wrong.
Now it happens to you and you don't have the same level of balls to admit you said something that's wrong. And comlain that it's only splitting hairs.
Hypocracy without limitation!
Good try but that's simply false what you said.. This proves nothing about Saddam using biological weapons.
If you even bothered to read the document, the only previous actions it notes for consideration regarding Saddam Huessein was his deployment of chemical weapons, threat to deploy biological weapons and use terrorism, and his firing of normal missiles, as well as his illegal encroachment on Kuwait, and attempted procurement of nuclear materials. No doubt that's a pretty hefty laundry list of violations, yet nevertheless NOTHING about deployment of biological weapons.. Your claim this source says this when it doesn't is false.
Take a read, it does indeed discuss his deployment of those items. Not using them , the document does not state he used them, but it is very clear on where they were deployed.
ETA: Deployment, whether of troops or weapons, means to move into a position of readiness. It does not mean 'launched'.
So why did you bring it up???!?!?! We were talking about Candy's claim about Saddam's notorious use of germ warfare and his inability to back up this claim or admit it was wrong..
Not "deploying" them in whaterver other sense you're thinking. So the document does NOT prove he ever used bio weapons..
Again, the original claim:
"Saddam was known for the use of biologicals and nerve agents against his own people."
Sorry, my mistake. I thought you asked where Hussein had ever been sanctioned by the UN for biological weapons.
We found him dead Sorry about that.
Because it doesn't make any difference at all and the two situations are completely different.
If Bush stopped to sit for an oil painting and you said photograph, and I screamed about the distinction like a little girl all day that would be similar. The bottom line is that your buddy Saddam used WMDs on his own people. He was found guilty of it. And killed. The world rejoiced. Well most of us did.
That's the whole point of the shill's. Refocus on some "other" aspect of the post rather than the information the poster makes.
Jak the Ripper killed many people and is guilty of murder.
Many? How many is many? Can you PROVE he killed anybody? Were you there? NO! Your post is unproven, again. You misspelled "Jack" also.
That way they can stay away from "problem" areas that might expose people to truth. Then they'll accuse others of doing what they do, which is to refocus to some other less important area of whatever, hoping to distract and confuse the issue raised without addressing anything of major importance. It's all in their disinformation bullet points sealed in 3" plastic beneath their photo ID (and their color coded security badges fastened to their shirt pockets to indicate their "importance").
The whole "government pays shills to post against conspiracy nuts" has to be one of the most hysterical attempts at an ad-hominem attack I've seen in recent years. As if the government needs any help making people like 9/11 deniers seem delusional.
And now they are upset they Voted for Obama.......You cant blame them...
Well, the disinfo attacks are targeted at those that can actually think for themselves, not the shills that believe everything they're told and repeat it like the lemmings that they aspire to be.
For the intellectually lazy:
LOL... classic 9/11 Denier responses. "We're the real thinkers, you guys are just sheeple, maaaaaaaaan."
9/11 Denier posts could come straight from a cut-and-paste website somewhere, all premade and ready to go, with some Loose Change producer's signature on them, and yet they claim to be the ones "thinking for themselves." Complete with links to other tinfoil-hat blogs masquerading as "evidence".
I mean, can you not even recognize how classically delusional your attacks are? "You are shills because you oppose our theories, you must be part of the conspiracy!" Accusing anyone who denies your goofy theories of being "in on it" is the oldest conspiracy theorist tactic in the book.
Those links are indeed for those who are intellectually lazy. Figures you would embrace them.
Here's a question, concerning the credibility of your links. One of them currently leads with an article that postulates that the 3/11 earthquakes in Japan were triggered by HAARP weapons.
Do you agree of disagree with the 'facts' this article?
If you disagree, why do you use it to try and bolster your arguments?
HAARP is a reality. It wouldn't be surprising to me that entities in position of power would utilize it to facilitate their warped agenda. The criminals that were involved in the killing of its own citizens on 9/11 certainly wouldn't have any problem facilitating HARRP for similar purposes. Do I believe HARRP was used in Japan? I have no proof of that, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me. With 9/11, on the other hand, there are problems with the BS story at almost every turn. The clues are everywhere and anywhere one cares to look, in the 9/11 fiasco. I look at it this way. Somebody, somewhere along the line, decided that it was "acceptable" to kill citizens on 9/11. Somebody else had to go along with that thought process, and then someone else, in order to plan and execute what did actually happen. Once that bridge is self justified by the criminals, the sky would seem to be the limit on that type of delusional behavior.
Two different events, and two different sets of circumstances, with two different conclusions at this point. One (the situation in Japan) suggests a non man made event (at least at this point), and one (9/11) shows clear signs of man made intervention at many different levels. One could be natural. One clearly wasn't.
Simply, one shows clear complicity, and one doesn't. (Good distraction by the way). I hope you put that one on your time sheet.
Oh, I did. Everytimr a 'truther' quotes me, or replies directly to a post I make, I get an extra Grand.
Gonna be a great Christmas.
Excellent! I hope God takes cash!
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