Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple may be least expensive way to stabilize climate?

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Do you believe that the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple will occur in...?

  1. Probably within a century or two!

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  2. Never, Bible prophecy is false and misleading.

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  3. Perhaps within decades, we truly are in a new age of spirituality!

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  4. Perhaps by the year 3030, three days/3000 years from the resurrection of Jesus!

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  5. I don't know enough about this subject to comment!

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  6. Hey, this is a good way to prove that God does not exist!

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Interesting details are added here.....

     
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    Did they ever find any remains of the 1st? Pretty fascinating subject of which I should become more apprised.
     
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    They tried to build the third temple under emperor Julian, but it was felled by fire and earthquakes.
     
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    Ahh....very knowledgeable......thanks.
     
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    Apparently the Romans went all out in attempting to recover the gold that had melted in the fire and ran down between the foundation stones of the Temple of Herod the Great.

    Matthew 24:2

    "And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."
     
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    I am ok with a third, fourth and fifth temple as long as Mexico pays for it and there is a hundred year moratorium on building Holocaust museums and making any more movies depicting how rough the Jews have it. Where do I sign up?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A connection to Mexico is actually possible...........

    What do you think of my Alternative Wall Theory?

     
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    I would like to see your reply to this option.......?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/auditions-for-the-role-of-elijah-needed.499830/page-6#post-1068970312


    Fifteen year old Israeli has NDE and predicts 70 nations unite against Israel.

     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This statement tends to verify the claims by the Ethiopians:

    Grant R. Jeffrey Ph. D. Messiah, War in the Middle East, page 247:
     
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    But the question now is..... will Messiah Yeshua - Jesus... in His glorified immortal form......
    regard sacrifices by the Levites in the restored Jerusalem Third Temple as an insult to Him?

    If so..... .why would he have bothered to clean out the Temple while he was human?

    John 2:14

    "And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
    And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
    And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
    And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up."

     
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    Last I read, there's no archaeological evidence that the first temple ever actually existed.


    "to date there has been no archaeological evidence of the Temple at all."

    See: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/solomon_qa.shtml
     
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    Here is a blog that I think you will love.......
    my understanding of it so far is minimal but Wow!

    https://galgal.dreamwidth.org/
     
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    Isn't there evidence though, in the Roman records? I am fairly certain there is, given it was destroyed in 70 AD by the romans. And they documented such things.

    There was never any evidence for the tremendous stone works at Gobekli Tepe, for we thought only such works came after the rise of civilization, created by the domestication of grains. Until that german discovered it. It is rewriting anthropological theory.
     
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    Ah Dennis, I could not vote because I did not see a choice of....I do not know for sure. ha ha

    But I do have some thoughts on it of course. I like thinking. ha ha ha

    First, fundamentalist christians want it built, for they believe it has to be built before christ can return.

    And second, there is the problem of the muslim Dome of the Rock supposedly sitting on the old temple site. And muslims will go to war over preserving one of their own sacred spots.And this is probably the only issue which might unite the sunni and shia. Temporarily of course.

    So, given this, I would have to say, I just do not know.

    And I think this idea of the temple being rebuilt comes from Revelations, a book that barely made it into the NT, given some thought it did not belong, perhaps being the ramblings of a man on DMT, which is in several plants in that neck of the woods. Or the writings of a shyster. Wanting some self importance in his own era.
     
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    Records aren't ALWAYS evidence. Records must be corroborated with PHYSICAL evidence.

    EVIDENCE is what we have for the Egyptian civilization. We don't have to GUESS about the Great Pyramid of Giza, because it's still standing.

    We don't have to GUESS about the existence of King Tut, we have his body as EVIDENCE.

    Don't question ME about evidence of Solomon's Temple, it's the SCIENTISTS who say there is NO EVIDENCE that it ever actually existed.

    We have "records" of Santa Claus, does that mean he REALLY ever existed?
     
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    I don't agree. Given in this case the romans were meticulous record keepers, especially when it concerned their empire. You would have to say that congressional records in the US, viewed 2000 years into the future were not necessary evidence. I think historians would indeed use it as evidence. Historians depend upon such evidence as I mentioned with rome, and they don't have to find physical evidence that rome actually existed, for it is possible for such evidence to have been destroyed, and the materials used elsewhere. Time is a factor which must be considered.

    If scientists do not accept roman gov't records, then they are dunderheads.Historians accept it. Not like rome had an interest in creating a myth of the temple they destroyed. Only if there was not a roman record of that uprising and destruction, would I say there was no evidence. Historical records are evidence, period, whether you like it or not, and so I will of course question you. Every site in ancient history may not exist today, even in the ground, if you are looking for building materials. Hell, we learned that when I was an anthropology major long ago. It is common for an area that was built upon in ancient times to be built over, in later times. It is also common that such sites have no remaining rubble from earlier times. Just this should question your scientists. And you. Never thought about that, right? That all sites do not necessarily contain evidence from what may have existed there in earlier times? For one can literally remove all of that evidence, scrub it clean if the motivation was there to do that. And who is to say this did not happen with the temple?

    What records of santa claus, that are of the same status as gov't records? You are getting quite absurd here.

    Look, I could not care less if such a temple existed or not. I have no dogs in that hunt. How bout you? My money says indeed you do. Just as biblical archeologists have a dog in the hunt in the research that they do. And it is funny that I never heard it mentioned while I was taking courses that the temple never existed due to a lack of evidence. I thought I recalled something other than that being stated. But it has been long ago, so not sure, since you brought it up.

    But in Western Civ, indeed we used roman records as evidence. For many things. lol
     
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    I didn't say the temple never existed. What I said was...

     
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    Yes, I have a dog in the fight. ALL humans should, because the only way a 3rd temple could be built is to destroy the al aqsa mosque and al Haram al Sharif, which stands on the site where the temple allegedly stood.

    That would mean an intensification of conflict between Islamic nations and the West. I don't want to see any intensification of that conflict and neither should you, UNLESS you're an Israeli or Christian Zionist or some sort of anarchist.
     
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    Oh, the FIRST temple. I thought we were talking about the one destroyed in 70 AD documented by the romans. In regards to the second temple, peruse this that I found online...

    https://www.livescience.com/56517-did-unesco-deny-temple-mount-jewish-temples.html

    So then, since it says the existence of both temples are not questioned by the experts(you need to provide you own experts to negate this) it just seems to me that perhaps you really don't know what you are talking about.

    Roman records and physical evidence indeed evidence that the second temple existed as was destroyed by rome. And historians and scientists do not question the existence of both temples.

    So what do you have to negate this? I am very curious, given you and your men of science would be in incoherence with what every article I could find online maintains. And I did not use religious sites, but history sites. After all, we are not talking about prehistory here, right?
     
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    Now I understand!! You are not using history nor science, and have been a bit deceptive, in the interest of maintaining what exists there now. I kinda figured that, but was certain once I spent a little time online researching your false claims.

    Not allegedly, you lost that debate. You should really try to be an honest poster.
     
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    I cited a BBC article in my very first post that states that scientists say there is no archaeological evidence of the first temple. I even quoted the article as follows...

    "to date there has been no archaeological evidence of the Temple at all."

    Here's the link to the article again.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/solomon_qa.shtml


    Yes, the article you cited states...

    professional historians and archaeologists do not question the past existence of the two Jewish temples.

    Questions are, how many, who and what are their credentials?

    Even an ISRAELI JEW archaeologist says there's no evidence.

    On the alleged Temple of Solomon, Finkelstein said that there is no archaeological evidence to prove it really existed

    Source: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...-casts-doubt-on-jewish-heritage-of-jerusalem/

    You can check Israel Finkelstein's credentials here...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Finkelstein
     
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    It seems that the guy you used is an outlier. Otherwise text books would be teaching his views instead of the long held traditional views on this issue.

    You can always find outliers, and you should know this. But the preponderance of historians and archeologists support my views. And you can research that yourself, or not. Yet I know what you will find. And it will not help your beliefs.
     
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    Now who's being intellectually dishonest? You know just as well as I do that given the nature of the conflict between the Muslims and Jews that POLITICS plays just as big a role in this particular case as science. Maybe even more so.

    Think of the ramifications of widespread acceptance of Finkelstein's position?

    He's an outlier only because the position is POLITICALLY unpopular. If his position was accepted, then Jews would have to stop using religion to lay claim to the land.

    WHO are these scientists you refer to? Why do you refuse to cite them?

    I know why. Because chances are, none are considered as knowledgeable as Finkelstein. I can cite more scientists that hold his position as well. Prominent scientists. You're banking on UNNAMED scientists from who knows where and making subtle personal attacks on me.

    How about you use your scientists?
     
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    Written accounts are archaeological evidence. What you mean is people have little physical remains of the actual Temple to show, but since excavation of the Temple Mount is forbidden and has been for a very long time, that type of evidence will be nearly impossible to acquire.

    If you are going to ignore written accounts, then we know nothing of the past.
     
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