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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Again:

    Why didn't you google it and find out??


    There is a law, the UVVA, Unborn Victims of Violence Act, that levies heavier sentences on those who harm or kill pregnant women.

    It in NO WAY deems a fetus a person and even has a clause that says it does NOT affect abortion or abortion rights in any way.


    The heavier sentence is because the perpetrator TOOK AWAY the WOMAN'S right to CHOOSE.....a apt punishment....
     
  2. TurnerAshby

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    This was a recent verdict

    "A jury found him guilty of murder of “two or more persons” by one act, using a 2006 law that defined “person” as including a child in utero. The court sentenced him to death."

    https://www.apnews.com/09c731313cd56018857f0f0a10c8add5

    The law acknowledged that the fetus was a person. So fetuses are apparently transformers morphing at will to whatever based on convenience.

    Again it's another case of women having their cake and eating it too. If anyone kills the fetus except the woman it's murder. Every part of the judicial system is laughably biased towards women.

    "At least 23 of the more than 30 states that have the death penalty prohibit pregnant women from being put to death, suspending their sentences until the child is born."

    Why would that be? It's a fetus not a human after all?
     
  3. TurnerAshby

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    More unlimited than everyone else's. When were women forced to go to war ?
     
  4. TurnerAshby

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    Parasites. That's what pro choice people say? If the fetuses are legally recongized as humans how does a woman have the ability to kill it? No one else can kill another human without consequences
     
  5. TurnerAshby

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    I know heck the courts won't even look at blatant hypocrisy in the laws about killing a pregnant woman vs a pregnant woman killing her own baby.

    My problem isn't that through the legal system women are handled with kid gloves (statics show this in sentencing, sentence duration, Family courts etc) it's that it's happening and women are trying to gaslight us by saying the opposite is happening and that they are oppressed.

    Men are oppressed not women men get sent to war men have no shelters men who can't pay for child support are thrown in jail men lose their children because of sexist judges. Idk maybe just maybe all those reasons contribute to the higher suicide rate in men but since it's a mens issue no one cares
     
  6. FoxHastings

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    Neither are men....and women volunteered....

    NO one is forced to use their physical body to sustain the life of another. For example , NO one can force another person to give them a kidney or heart or even blood...
     
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  7. TurnerAshby

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    You said:

    "Because by killing her he also eliminated any choice she had so what may heave been a wanted child is gone as well"

    The man gets double homicide because the woman may have wanted the fetus to be a child. Can you think of other laws were a person gets a longer sentence for a hypothetical situation that hasn't happened?

    If that's your contention fine the issue is that he kid her and he stole from her not that he killed two people. Killing a pregnant woman would be murder and theft not a double murder
     
  8. TurnerAshby

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    Really in 1967 men volunteered?

    Are women forced by threat of jail to sign up for selective service?
     
  9. FoxHastings

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    Fetuses DO have a parasitic relationship with their "host". They use it's body to grow.

    It is NOT an insult, like calling your brother-I-nlaw a parasite because he lives off you.....it is a scientific term...


    A human fetus is human (adjective), it is NOT A human (noun) as in "person with rights".
     
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    Signing up for selective service is NOT being "forced to go to war" as YOU stated.

    One can be a conscientious objector and not go to war.


    Men do NOT lose the right to their own bodies.
     
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    I see your issue is deeper than abortion rights....
     
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    No man or woman's rights should be unlimited.

    Satisfied?
     
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    I didn't say that.....I said
    FoxHastings said:
    WOMEN'S rights should be as unlimited as everyone else's.
     
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    Abortion rights are apart of the larger picture that women get treated better through the juidical system while men get their rights taken from them and thrown in jail. Yet feminist who say they're all about equality never speak up on the things that overly favor them (family court reproductive Rights sentencing and sentencing duration) . Why because feminist aren't about equality they are solely for women getting more power
     
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    Why? Women benefit from the ability to produce children. Men can't. Thus if you receive additional benefits additional responsibilities naturally attach.
     
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    1967 men were forced to war..... Were women?

    Right now men can be jailed for not signing up for selective service can women?

    So being told to fight in Vietnam isn't men losing their right to their own body ?
     
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    So depending on who says it a fetus is a parasite? That's not logical


    Is a doctor allowed to call worms in a patient parasites since they aren't in his body?

    What rights are taken away from a woman by giving the man a right to financially abort the fetus and what it may become in the future?
     
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    Don't want to acknowledge the deeper issue that I highlighted with facts ?

    The judicial system is totally skewed towards women and that's shown in issues like men having less reproductive Rights, men being sentenced more often and for longer duration and unfair sexist treatment in family courts when determining child custody and child support. All that on top of there being sent to die in war while women got to stay home
     
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    The issue is whether child birth is a benefit. It seems to change back and forth depending on need
     
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    I didn't say that.....I said
    FoxHastings said:
    WOMEN'S rights should be as unlimited as everyone else's.



    Why what? Why shouldn't women's rights be the same as everyone else's? UH, that should be obvious.



    How? And what TF has that got to do with her right to her own body???



    If a woman produces children she does have responsibilities..... we are talking about the right to an ABORTION....see, if there's an abortion there isn't a child produced..
     
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    :) No, that sentence isn't logical in any way....I wonder who said it....wasn't me.....it was you!

    LOL! What? :roll::roflol: A doctor can call worms parasites no matter whose body they are in...doctor call parasites parasites because that's what they are.



    NONE.....who said they were? Not me.
     
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    Yes, and the pregnant one is the one who decides...…:)
     
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    Agree to disagree.
     
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    Reproductive Rights was right there in the text
     

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