My daughter is visibly doing fine. The fact that hundreds supported her and valued the "life: she so valued, I'm sure helped. Of course they all shared stories, as you did and that helps too. I find it offensive that politicians, abortion doctors, and others lobby for the right to commit abortion to full term, and that is a fact. There are men trying to make those decisions as well. Do you want them excluded? When States try to limit it, they get all up in arms. Don't you think that is a little evident of their intent? Why was that doctor breaking current law anyway? Would it have been legal had he incinerated all those babies? He was a Man and he made a darn good living doing it. I don't know the exact particulars.
Maybe if you don't know the "particulars" you shouldn't comment. NO one is advocating killing healthy, viable, non-life threatening fetuses... Yes, I know you have to ignore that fact.....you make it obvious...
You put equal value on zygotes , I don’t. We both value human beings I don’t understand. You said that if you had to choose between your daughter and the fetus you would choose your daughter. Why do you want other women denied that right? Do you really believe that a healthy woman with a healthy fetus just decides at the moment of birth that she wants an abortion? That really shows contempt for women. It doesn’t happen.If it did they would show you many examples of it I agree men could be part of the decision but who should have the final say? When a man has sex he knows that he might be a parent, as does she. We don’t know why that Dr was breaking current laws but as you said he was breaking the law. He was a criminal the same way the Doctor Who molested all those Olympian girls. Neither one of them is the norm Should we define the typical role of doctors from these two men? I think it is insulting to stereotype doctors because of those obviously sick men committing crimes
My belief is that the life of the mother to the point of birth, is always paramount to the unborn child.I only speak of abortion for convenience. I am always for preserving life. Not financial, or other considerations ( like not being able to party or date others) In my daughters case, she was willing to put hers at some risk in order to save her child. I understand your argument, Renee, that it is almost unimaginable for a women to carry a child, two months, 3 or maybe even 7 months then abort for convenience.......but then why are there those that strive to make it legal? Is there a market for body parts of those 2nd and 3rd trimester babies? I didn't know if the doctor with over 1000 babies preserved did anything wrong other than to preserve their bodies. As far as I know, the abortions were all legal according to law.
If a women is not prepared to raise a child for 18 years she has absolutely no business having unprotected sex.
My other daughter was in a failed marriage due to her partners affair with Methamphetamine. (I would blame that on his character) She has a three year old son, works several part time jobs to get her thru nursing school; My wife and I support her any way we can. She receives none of her court ordered child support as her ex-slimeball does not pay due to his lifestyle and the "inconvenience" working a job would cause him. My contempt for him is equally the same as it would be for any women who takes on the pleasure of un protected sex. and then BUTCHERS her child while in the safety of the womb. So don't lay on me your sexist outlook on men. You don't for one second have a problem with me.....you have a problem with holding others to their responsibilities while at the same time showing a careless regard (by your own testimony in escorting babies to their doom) for children in the womb......and so goes the culture that adheres to those values.
you are right she is careless and has to pay the consequences and that is either having an abortion or raising a child and being responsible for it for 18 years. But I’m sure you will also fight for a man to pay for this child for 18 years . Accidents happen!
Men are lucky like your ex son-in-law... He has no responsibility but your daughter sounds like she sure does. It’s interesting how you seem to define unprotected sex as only a woman’s role. Maybe women shouldn’t have sex unless they want children. Yes I have a problem with you. You seem to trivialize the woman’s right to not let a zygote develop. You act as though an embryo is the equivalent of your three-year-old grandchild. You know nothing about abortion because all you do is use the word butcher when it’s pretty hard to butcher a 1/10 of 1 ounce fetus...you know when most abortions are done. You believe that women should only have sex to have children and if they accidentally get pregnant they should be punished for 18 years with the responsibility they don’t want. That is really punishing the children when a mother knows she cannot afford to raise them.
So if the choice was we can either save the life of the unborn or the woman flipping a coin would be fair?
Well it really doesn't matter, because you've made it pretty clear that your daughter was of equal value pre-birth to post-birth at least at SOME point during the term. I was just curious what that point was, but it clearly makes you too uncomfortable to say, but as I say, it really doesn't matter! To be fair to you, I don't think that you've ever actually said that it's only a baby after birth, but you sure have argued as if you did think this!
You answered my question indirectly. So a flip of a coin would not be fair. The mother's life would take precedence over the "equal value" unborn.
