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  1. cirdellin

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    There is a reflector on the moon placed there by American Astronauts.

    This is regularly used.

    The US placed men on the moon and now it’s time for American astronauts to venture to Mars and then beyond.

    Americans are natural frontiersmen.
     
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    If the Surveyor program was real, they had the technology to send unmanned probes to the moon at that time.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveyor_program

    An unmanned robotic lander with a rotating top could have adjustable reflectors attached to its sides. Reflectors on the moon are not proof that there were humans on the moon.


    The part of this video that deals with the reflector issue starts at the 39:00 time mark. I posted two links to the same video in case one of them goes off-line.

    American Moon (English Version)


    AMERICAN MOON, 2017
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/the-latest-moon-hoax-documentary.163196/
     
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    It is definitive proof we landed on the moon and all of your claims are complete and proven lies.
     
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    Addressed already and largely ignored by this serial forum spammer:

    Classified info has a paper trail, usually colossal in size. There is not a chance in a billion that the hundreds, possibly thousands of people would not have let this information slip, made some sort of death bed confession or made a few pounds on a newspaper story! Oh, and the bullshit follow up about them being threatened? Some of them would have been single, released it secretly or on their death. The even more bullshit idea that this invisible hand of numerous people could stop it getting out into the public domain - ridiculous.

    Apollo 15 Science Experiments (usra.edu)

    Other experiments were deployed by the crew and then monitored from Earth by radio telemetry after the crew departed. This group of experiments was termed the Apollo Lunar Surface Experiment Package (ALSEP). Each experiment was connected by a cable to the ALSEP central station, which provide radio communication to Earth and electrical power from a radioisotope thermal generator. Some of these experiments continued to return data until September 1977, when the entire ALSEP network was turned off due to lack of funding for the ground support team.

    The Passive Seismic Experiment detected lunar "moonquakes" and provided information about the internal structure of the Moon.

    The Heat Flow Experiment measured the amount of heat coming out of the Moon.

    The Lunar Surface Magnetometer measured the strength of the Moon's magnetic field.

    The Laser Ranging Retroreflector measured very precisely the distance between the Earth and Moon.

    The Cold Cathode Gauge measured the abundance of gases in the lunar atmosphere.

    The Suprathermal Ion Detector Experiment studied the lunar ionosphere.

    The Solar Wind Spectrometer measured the composition of the solar wind.

    The Lunar Dust Detector studied the effects of lunar dust on the operation of the experiment package.

    It deals with nothing. It does what you do, makes an ignorant claim with no proof.
     
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    I've never seen that debunked. You're just taking NASA's word for it. That's not very impressive. In a large scam, there being lots of bogus data would be normal. There's no reason to simply believe all the data you listed are real.
     
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    And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

    If your theory of a conspiracy requires thousands of people to be in on it (400,000 in the case of the moon landings)
    and remain silent for decades, then there is a high mathematical probability that your theory is incorrect.
     
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    Debunking The Apollo Moon Hoax (debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com)
    8. Just deny everything: "I've never seen it debunked. I've seen people try to obfuscate it and then consider it to have been debunked."

    He's never seen ANYTHING debunked? An utterly ludicrous statement that he uses based on his own inept layman understanding. His ignorance apart, he seeks to pigeon hole every single debunk into responses that he says are diversion, because he says so.

    It doesn't need to be debunked. You need to supply evidence for the secret program to develop, test, fly and land the 3 reflectors. Then you need to identify flightpaths and launch windows to put them exactly where the Apollo landings occurred!

    You are just denying clear evidence.

    What moronic crap. Created by whom? How many people just to create the terrabytes of data?

    You are too ignorant to be able to verify it. The scientists who actually use it are not.
     
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    https://theconspiracyzone.podcastpeople.com/posts/27709
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    Q: What about the vast number of people involved in Apollo, wouldn’t someone have spoken out.
    A: Pan’s claim there were half a million people involved in the Apollo program, but that includes all the humble engineers working on machine parts in many companies around the globe. So if someone is making a part in some engineering factory in Seattle, and his boss tells him it’s for the Apollo spacecraft, is that engineer proof the landings took place? No of course it is not proof, and even if that engineer knew they never made it to the Moon, he would still brag to his friends that he made a part that went to the Moon just to make him feel proud in some way or other. Parts for the Apollo program were made at many different factories around the globe. For example the laser reflector supposedly left on the Moon was manufactured in France. NASA collected the unit from the French company, and that was the last they saw of it. It’s probably stashed away in some archive at Langley, but one things for certain it’s not on the Moon. Are those French engineers proof they landed on the Moon? No of course not, as very few, (probably less than 200 people), were actually involved in bringing the whole lot together, so as to minimize what was actually taking place. No need for any of them to speak out because (A) They are 100% patriotic to the USA, and would say nothing that would go against America, even if it were true. (B) They do not need millions of dollars to safeguard their future, as they have already received substantial amounts from NASA just to “keep mum”.
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    The proof of fakery is crushing.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ers-are-corrupt.441261/page-2#post-1072215068
     
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    Dude - thousands of college and high school students have conducted or been involved in the laser/moon experiments over the last
    two decades. They would ALL have to be in on the conspiracy for that to work. Crazy talk.
     
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    The bottom line is that the anomalies in the footage and pictures prove it was all done on Earth.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ers-are-corrupt.441261/page-2#post-1072215068

    Your argument doesn't make that go away.
     
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    Anomolies prove no such thing.

    Anomolies can be found in any thing on earth past present and future. All you have to do is look hard enough and long enough at anything under the sun and you will find anomolies. In any theory, in any incident, in any phtograph, in any film, in any recording, it does not matter what it is there are ALWAYS some anaomolies.

    They prove nothing of the sort and you are stating a bald faced lie.
     
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    Debunking The Apollo Moon Hoax (debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com)

    7. When all else fails: "I think the rest are moot now that you`ve been discredited and there are a lot of clear anomalies that prove the footage ...."

    So when he routinely gets his claim debunked, it is "moot" because of "all the others". It never occurs to him that all the other evidence has been debunked and was also "moot" when it was addressed. When pushed to provide a list of items to address, at all costs he will not do this because it can be seen where they have all been debunked.

    6. Credibility Test: "This calls for a credibility test. XXXXXXX maintains that the Chinese spacewalk was real and not faked in a water tank. Do you agree with him?

    This is where the spammer uses one of his pre-determined idiotic conspiracies or erroneous claims as the yardstick for a credibility test. He is the arbitrator of its provenance therefore anyone who disagrees with it can now be referred to as "discredited" and all their rebuttal can be ignored.


    You are seriously pathetic. You haven't got an original thought in that crazy fixated head of yours. You must be mentally ill, there can be no other explanation. You aren't providing "objectivity" tests, you clown, you are doubling down on your ignorant opinion and using it as your own personal idiotic yardstick!

    Here's an objectivity test for you that you will absolutely avoid at all costs or just deny:-

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    This shows a clear parabolic arc of dust between John Young's boots that is 100% irrefutably rising and falling at the same time as he is. PROVING that he must be on the Moon.

    Now explain this spammer!
     
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    I can't see what you're referring to. All I see is soil starting to fall before the astronaut stops going up which shows he's on a wire.

    The Apollo Moon Jump Salute Refute hd
    https://www.brighteon.com/a515dc75-83bb-4e02-aad9-b1cdfe0de150
     
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    Debunking The Apollo Moon Hoax (debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com)

    8. Just deny everything: "I've never seen it debunked. I've seen people try to obfuscate it and then consider it to have been debunked." or "I can't see what you're referring to."

    He's never seen ANYTHING debunked? An utterly ludicrous statement that he uses based on his own inept layman understanding. His ignorance apart, he seeks to pigeon hole every single debunk into responses that he says are diversion, because he says so. Or, he simply denies seeing something that is completely irrefutably obvious.

    You failed the REAL objectivity test. You not only denied something that is 100% clearly visible you reassert your pathetic claim. You have never had any credibility, you are simply incapable of honest debate. There is a parabolic arc of dust between his boots, it clearly rises level and although it dissipates just after it starts to fall, we can see enough of it to gauge its speed. You lose, you always lose, you hopeless spammer.

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    Debunking The Apollo Moon Hoax (debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com)

    11. Never mind that - look over here: When this hopeless individual has exhausted his inept repertoire of responses comes his most used spam. He resorts to spamming his wall of crap and ignoring the main issue!

    "Anyway, there's a ton of proof that the missions were faked and zero proof that they were real."

    What a sad, sad liar this person is. They have been humiliated completely on dozens of subjects, thousands of times on Apollo, yet they spew this cut and paste hogwash almost every time. You failed the REAL objectivity test. You not only denied something that is 100% clearly visible you reassert your pathetic claim. You have never had any credibility, you are simply incapable of honest debate. There is a parabolic arc of dust between his boots, it clearly rises level and although it dissipates just after it starts to fall, we can see enough of it to gauge its speed. You lose, you always lose, you hopeless spammer.

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    A addressed it. I don't see what you say is there. Anyway, there's a lot of other sand that starts falling while the astronaut is still going upward. I've never seen that in any footage of beach volleyball games. Can you explain the sand that starts going downward while the astronaut is still going upward?
     
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    It's lunar regolith and obvious to anyone with any intelligence. Only some of it is dragged as high as the jump!

    You didn't address it. You cowardly pretend not to see it!
     
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    You didn't answer my question.
     
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    Yes I did. Perhaps you are just a bit more clueless than I thought. Some of the regolith isn't dragged up as high so takes less time to fall.
     
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    I've looked at a lot of footage of beach volleyball and I've never seen that anywhere. It's not actually dragged. It's thrown.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=bea...Wk8uAKHSmdDz8Q_AUoAnoECAoQBA&biw=1366&bih=657

    Why is the example in the Apollo footage the only case that can be found in which the soil starts to fall downward while the person is still going upward? Can you link to a case that is consistent with the Apollo footage? I've never seen one.
     
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    No its dragged up by friction, it follows the foot! You really are getting desperate now aren't you.

    What? Who says it is doing that! You can quite clearly see a shadow of the regolith to the left and it most certainly comes down as he is falling.

    One sixth gravity in a vacuum. Standing jump, with double body weight, almost no real effort. You are begging the question. One, there is nothing inconsistent with jumping and no dirt rising, some dirt rising or lots of dirt rising. Two, there can be nothing to compare it to!

    You've "never seen" anything that proves you wrong. Only a very dishonest person fails to see the obvious parabolic wave of dust between his boots. Yes it is faint, but we see enough of it for long enough to track its speed. It matches the jump and I am pretty sure you know this.
     
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