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  1. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    Regarding Volleyball videos - your search capabilities are as inept as your education on practically everything you debate upon :-



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    Is the sand falling well before he comes down. Yes or No?

    The answer is yes, most of it is gone before he reaches the top of his jump. Are you going to deny this?
     
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    You see no such thingand nothing proves any such thing.

    The evidence is crushing and proves you wrong and you know this as do ALL OTHERS reading your crap.
     
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    The answer is yes but he bends his legs. Some of the sand is rolling off of his toes before his foot goes all the way up. These are not the same conditions as are in the Apollo footage. We need to look at a case in which the jumper doesn't bend his leg after he jumps in order to duplicate the conditions.
     
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    The are the same conditions.

    You lose again.
     
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    So what! He then straightens them at the top of his jump.

    What possible relevance is that bullshit? Explain fully.

    For once you are correct, but not for the moronic reasons you seek.
    • He is running to gain height. John Young is stationary.
    • He is putting in extreme effort. John Young barely bends his knees.
    • He is on sand. John Young is on regolith.
    • He is in Earth gravity. John Young is in lunar gravity.
    • He has air to assist with slowing sand falling. Young is in a vacuum and has none.
    • He only has his own bodyweight. John Young has double weight and a restrictive space suit.
    BUT! There are similarities to put your idiotic claims to rest:-
    • The sand/regolith dissipates quickly and is difficult to see against a background of sand/regolith.
    • Much of it falls well before he lands.
    • His foot/boot drags soil up with friction - but certainly not that much as your idiotic
    Bullshit! You lose again spammer and of course lack the integrity to concede! Explain fully why bending his knees makes any difference especially when he straightens them at apex. All you are doing is your usual cowardly denial and a ridiculous attempt to move the goalposts. How about I show examples where there is virtually zero sand from a stationary jump!

    1 minute 35 seconds virtually nothing. Straight legs! Stationary! Now what spammer? Gonna concede this or must we endure more of your pathetic evasion?
    1:54/1:57 same.

     
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    What a sad, sad person this is. They have been humiliated completely on dozens of subjects, thousands of times on Apollo, yet they spew this cut and paste hogwash almost every time. You failed the REAL objectivity test. You not only denied something that is 100% clearly visible you reassert your pathetic claim. You have never had any credibility, you are simply incapable of honest debate. There is a parabolic arc of dust between his boots, it clearly rises level and although it dissipates just after it starts to fall, we can see enough of it to gauge its speed. You lose, you always lose, you hopeless spammer.

    I am searching for a video with slightly clearer footage - I recall seeing it recently.

    The chemist is an idiot. No wonder you believe it and yet more cowardly diversion.
     
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    ...said the person who started this thread.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/gene-cernan-jump-proves-they-are-on-the-moon.580330/

    You're right. The sand doesn't follow his feet. There are more factors to consider such as how soon the sand rolls off the jumpers inclined toes.
     
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    Said the imbecile who thinks bubbles are white rotating ice and flags rotate unrestricted underwater. I find it hilarious you link to a thread where you get publicly humiliated but like Gollum before he plunges into the lava, you jump and down like a clown.

    So that rules out your entire argument!!

    You failed to answer why bended knees makes a difference! And sand rolling off his toes is a pathetic irrelevant diversion. Explain the importance.
     
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    The sand is thrown more horizontally and some of it rolls off of his toes before he finishes moving his feet upward. The little bit of sand that goes up all the way with his feet lands at the same time that his feet land. It can be seen at the bottom right of the video.



    It's possible to jump in sand in such way that no sand or very little sand goes upward. Some of the sand might not be getting the full force of a jump. It can roll off the toes very early in the jump and not get the full force. We have to look at cases in which the sand gets the full force of the jump. In the Apollo jump some of the sand gets the full force of the jump. Look to the right of his right foot.
     
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    Complete nonsense! The fact of the matter is that when stationary sometimes sand goes up, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it goes all of the way up sometimes it doesn't. Always it dissipates quickly and sand on sand and regolith on regolith - it is hard to see!

    In short, your entire claim is complete horseshit! Worse still is the fact that on Apollo we DO see enough to prove the footage is not using wire supports. You being the dishonest person you are deny seeing the obvious, when you are somehow capable of seeing sand landing at the same time on the volleyball video. You coward, afraid to concede the obvious and irrefutable.

    No amount of evidence or reasoning can sway such stupidity.

    Right there your admission invalidates your entire argument.

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    There is a parabolic arc of dust between his boots, it clearly rises level and although it dissipates just after it starts to fall, we can see enough of it to gauge its speed.

    And if you were honest, you would see it is being pushed forward and we can clearly see a darkening of the surface right up until he lands(half way up farthest right). To his left we can clearly see a shadow of dust moving forwards as it dissipates
     
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    No jackass, it's the same effect of falling regolith. In The Cernan video it is more obvious.

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    There is a parabolic arc of dust between his boots, it clearly rises level and although it dissipates just after it starts to fall, we can see enough of it to gauge its speed.

    And if you were honest, you would see it is being pushed forward and we can clearly see a darkening of the surface right up until he lands(half way up farthest right). To his left we can clearly see a shadow of dust moving forwards as it dissipates.

    So spammer:

    1. Is it being pushed forward?
    2. Can you see the darkening surface?
    3. Can you see the shadow dissipate?
    4. Would you always expect to see it landing - grey regolith on grey regolith on a blurry old video?
    5. Are you really going to deny the parabolic arc between his boots?

    I used the phrase "And if you were honest" - I don't know why. You never are.
     
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    Apollo 16 - Flag and John Young's jump (7 minutes, 360°)

    (4:40 time mark)

    I set the speed at .25.
    He jumps twice. In the first jump there is soil that goes as high as his boot goes. That soil starts to fall before he does. In all of jumps in the beach volleyball games I've seen in which the sand goes up as high as the players' feet go when they don't bend their legs upward after they've jumped, the sand and feet fall together at the same rate. That difference alone shows the Apollo astronaut is on a wire.
     
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    Some of it does, but so does the volleyball athlete.

    Bullshit. The legs bending makes no difference.

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    There is a parabolic arc of dust between his boots, it clearly rises level and although it dissipates just after it starts to fall, we can see enough of it to gauge its speed.

    And if you were honest, you would see it is being pushed forward and we can clearly see a darkening of the surface right up until he lands(half way up farthest right). To his left we can clearly see a shadow of dust moving forwards as it dissipates.

    So spammer:

    1. Is it being pushed forward?
    2. Can you see the darkening surface?
    3. Can you see the shadow dissipate?
    4. Would you always expect to see it landing - grey regolith on grey regolith on a blurry old video?
    5. Are you really going to deny the parabolic arc between his boots?

    I used the phrase "And if you were honest" - I don't know why. You never are. You just ignore entire posts.

    You lose spammer. The parabolic arc between his boots proves all on its own that he is on the Moon, lunar gravity and you know it. I cannot imagine how sad a person you have to be to do what you do.
     
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    deleted

    wrong thread
     
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    Most sensible thing you have ever posted Strangely you didn't show us any analysis, honesty or scientific method in the post you just ran away from!
     
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    You can pretend all you want. Post #41 closes the whole case.
     
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    There is a parabolic arc of dust between his boots, it clearly rises level and although it dissipates just after it starts to fall, we can see enough of it to gauge its speed.

    And if you were honest, you would see it is being pushed forward and we can clearly see a darkening of the surface right up until he lands(half way up farthest right). To his left we can clearly see a shadow of dust moving forwards as it dissipates.

    So spammer:

    1. Is it being pushed forward?
    2. Can you see the darkening surface?
    3. Can you see the shadow dissipate?
    4. Would you always expect to see it landing - grey regolith on grey regolith on a blurry old video?
    5. Are you really going to deny the parabolic arc between his boots?

    I used the phrase "And if you were honest" - I don't know why. You never are. You just ignore entire posts.

    You lose spammer. The parabolic arc between his boots proves all on its own that he is on the Moon, lunar gravity and you know it. I cannot imagine how sad a person you have to be to do what you do.
     
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    You are the one pretending.

    You never had a case and post #41 proves nothing ecept that you are defeated.
     
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    No it does not show he is on a wire.

    None of your claims are true and the videos prove it.
     
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    My position is that you lose because of post #41. The viewers can decide form themselves.
     
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    A moronic post - one that fails to answer the only salient thing.
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    He only bends his legs after he is airborne, thus it has no bearing on your bullshit claim. THAT gif proves your stupid post #41 100% wrong.

    The viewers that never come to your assistance and almost unanimously think you should remove your tinfoil hat and go read some books!

    ANSWER THIS!! Denial is not an answer - the viewers can all see this:

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    There is a parabolic arc of dust between his boots, it clearly rises level and although it dissipates just after it starts to fall, we can see enough of it to gauge its speed.

    And if you were honest, you would see it is being pushed forward and we can clearly see a darkening of the surface right up until he lands(half way up farthest right). To his left we can clearly see a shadow of dust moving forwards as it dissipates.

    So spammer:

    1. Is it being pushed forward?
    2. Can you see the darkening surface?
    3. Can you see the shadow dissipate?
    4. Would you always expect to see it landing - grey regolith on grey regolith on a blurry old video?
    5. Are you really going to deny the parabolic arc between his boots?

    I used the phrase "And if you were honest" - I don't know why. You never are. You just ignore entire posts.

    You lose spammer. The parabolic arc between his boots proves all on its own that he is on the Moon, lunar gravity and you know it. I cannot imagine how sad a person you have to be to do what you do.
     
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