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  1. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Your position is decieful rooted in a fallacy.

    You have been crushed in that post and every other post.
     
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    If you want to settle the idea of Moon landing hoax, you need to ask yourself one question.

    If all the US wanted to do to win the cold war by faking a moon landing, why would you attempt it twice, if you already had a success? Landing once or 6 times accomplishes the same objective. As the more times you try it, the odds of getting caught grow exponentially. If your caught it would have a disastrous effect in projecting a lot more weakness than you actually have. It would be like robbing the same bank 6 times. So lying about it once successfully would far outweigh the chances you would take doing it 5 more times. Much less one more time. There is absolutely nothing to gain by a second attempt yet everything to lose in failure.

    If you drove a car on the salt flats breaking the sound barrier, you wouldn't have to do it over and over to prove you did it the first time.

    As far as having reflectors on the moon which were a part of 3 different missions placed on 3 different areas of the moon, the total amount of computer power we had at the time was just enough to provide navigation. Nothing we had in 1969 could navigate, pilot, and land on the moon autonomously. Much less remotely place and properly align reflectors. Which by the way are used by every observatory on the globe by every nation.
     
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  3. Scott

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    This doesn't make the mountain of hoax proof go away.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ers-are-corrupt.441261/page-2#post-1072215068

    Jet Wintzer, MOON HOAX NOW


    A16 Audio Analysis Summary


    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL87BD99395C7513BC
    https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1147.0

    I addressed this argument in post #2.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/reflector.575434/#post-1071875623
     
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    Your mountain of hoax information has been debunked over and over years and years ago. Simply repeating it doesn't bring it all back to reality.

    The simple fact is, no technology even existed at that time that could fake a motion picture video. It wasn't even possible. Lighting and lenses were infantile at that time and the technology to fake a moon landing video with hundreds of hours of tape just didn't exist.

    How do I know?
    Because I was there. I was born and raised in Florida and my father was stationed at McCoy AFB during the Cuban missile crisis.
    This was before it was Orlando International AP. Hence its designator MCO

    Our closest Friends were the Space center and Martin Marietta engineers. And most everyone was working on the space project. You should go to Huntsville Alabama and visit the labs with all of the left over Saturn rocket equipment. Its open to the public. There are even some of the original engineers still working there and all the equipment is on display.

    I'm not picking at you bud, I'm simply telling you this is a black hole. If you are really interested, and want to make a point, you should really check out this video taken in Huntsville.
    I invite you to punch some holes in this video. Really. If nothing else I promise you will find it fascinating.

    Hey, if nothing else, maybe it will give you some fighting information.

     
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    Pictures are fakable.


    Here are two videos I forgot to put in post #53. You mentioned lighting. Start watching the first video at the 3:35 time mark.

    Moon Hoax; "Apollo; Hoax Of The 20th Century" Part 1 of 2


    Moon Hoax; "Apollo; Hoax Of The 20th Century" Part 2 of 2
     
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    From other governments? Even the ones who hate us like China, Russia, North Korea?
    You will have to do better than that.
    Can you even imagine if China or Russia could prove the moon landing was fake? Do you know how much distrust would encapsulate this county overnight.

    OMG, what a win it would be for them. If you think Russia is involved in disrupting our elections, how much damage could they create within our own country
    by proving Americans proudest moment was all a lie. NASA would be done FOREVER. The space program and going to Mars would tank for lack of interest.

    It would be a nuclear missile right to the heart of this country. Every president has lied for the last 50 years? Our economy could collapse over information like that.

    And you don't think our enemies would be drooling over that? On top of which we did it 6 times to give them infinite ways to show we faked EVERYTHING

    You can't even possibly conceive any kind of story that would excuse what our enemies would do with information like that or why they haven't.

    They know we were there because the they can see the landers, and reflectors. Sorry bud, this conspiracy just ain't ever gonna get off the ground. It died the day it was created as every global hater of America has the technology to prove it was a hoax if it was.

    I bet you don't have a video for that. lol
     
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    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/nasa-is-faking-the-mars-missions.585399/

    You're basing your opinion on mainstream info*. The mainstream gives Americans an upside-down view of the world. What was really happening might have been very different from what we were being told. It's silly to form opinions on what the American media say.

    https://libcom.org/history/articles/cold-war-1940-1989
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    On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.
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    In Cuba the official story is that Apollo was faked.

    http://moonfaker.com/documents/Metapedia-Moon-Hoax/
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    There are entire subcultures in the USA and substantial cultures around the world that are convinced that Apollo Moon landings were faked. This view is taught in Cuban schools and wherever else Cuban teachers are sent (Nicaragua, Angola, etc.).[30][31][32] It is also shared by the Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez,[33][34] the Taliban,[35] and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness.[36][37][38]
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    If the official story in a country is that Apollo was faked, Americans would never hear about it if they only read American newspapers and watched American news.



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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...at-the-lies-furiously.583345/#post-1072353798
     
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    OUR MEDIA, WHAT? Whos talking about our media. The global media from EVERY COUNTRY would burn American down. Our stock market would crash OVERNIGHT over something like this. Our media would be the last ones to know lol. Even if our media tried to cover it up, the internet would be on fire. GLOBALLY

    Now your trying to claim that we would all just be dumb and happy because our media would play along and keep us in the dark and nobody would know? In the 21st century?
    Jesus dude.

    Do you know how to figure out if your chasing a theory? When you have to keep coming up with impossibilities to make excuses for more impossibilities. And you are talking about an infinite number of impossibilities. And they did it six friggin times? You gotta stop man.

    I love how they try and use todays cameras to explain how a picture isn't possible or lighting isn't possible or an angle isn't possible forgetting anything about a 1969 camera aperture and exposure rates. Or how they take in light or the absence of and why and the only possible explanation is using spot lights which is why the background is dark. lol

    Not even thinking for a second that if they were going to fake a moon landing, they would have known that. Did you think they thought of everything else but dammit, they screwed up the video lighting? lol THE ONLY F***ING THING THAT COULD GIVE THEM AWAY AND THEY SCREWED UP THE LIGHTING WITH THOSE PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHERS? Please dude. You're killin me smalls

    I bet you don't even know that the video taken LIVE from the moon and transmitted back to earth was in color. Did you. Do you know what those black and white video images are and how you got to see them instead of color broadcasted live around the world? Because a local TV station took one of their studio cameras down to Houston in mission control and pointed their camera at a CRT screen because the local TV stations couldn't get the signal. Their were no satellites repeating TV signals. lol

    And thats what you watched in 1969 for the first moon landing. A live video of a black and white CRT monitor which is why you can see the refresh rates going across the screen.
     
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    There are plausible scenarios that would explain the above. The bottom line is that the anomalies in the footage and pictures show that it was all done in Earth gravity in air.

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/reflector.575434/page-3#post-1072907394
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/reflector.575434/page-3#post-1072907444

    The viewers can decide for themselves.
     
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    I want to know what's on the dark side of the moon. Anyone?
     
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    The insane spamming continues. No sooner does somebody rake up a dead thread and the serial forum spammer is on it like a fly on dogmess!!

    Not one of your repeated spam posts stands up to scrutiny and the claims you keep making have been addressed fully and scientifically. Your colossal ignorance of science is the first problem. Your gullibility in anything that reinforces your idiotic claims is the next problem. We then have your unbelievable stubborn refusal to educate yourself and understand how the things you claim are absurd. Finally your moronic and irritating need to keep spamming the same claims and ignoring completely where they have been totally buried.

    You have a complete spam crib sheet of responses:-

    Debunking The Apollo Moon Hoax (debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com)

    "The following forum post describes the craziness of this individual and his blatant and ongoing dishonesty.

    Cosmored/Fatfreddy88/Drifty/Scott/Rocky has a whole series of evasion tactics :-

    1. For images or video: "Nothing that's fakable can be used as proof as it might be fake."

    He will never apply this moronic circular logic to his own images and videos. He will never actually prove it is faked or offer the number of people involved in such.

    2. For websites: "It's possible that your sites are genuine and it's possible that some public-relations agency created them to help fool the public. Something that may or may not be bogus can't be used as proof." Source.
    or
    "That's a disinfo site."

    He will never apply this moronic circular logic to his own appallingly inept websites. He will never address any website that solidly refutes his claims. He never offers any proof that any website is "disinfo" or "public-relations".

    3. For Expert Testimony: "Only a person with a high background in photography would be able to deal with it "

    For "photography" insert anything. He is a layman on everything associated with space travel so uses this evasion tactic frequently. Basically if he doesn't understand it, it is ignored and of course the person providing the information must automatically be in on the moronic hoax.

    4. For Rebuttal: "...so we already know what you posted is sophistry. "
    or
    "I can't say I'm one hundred percent sure he's a paid disinfo agent but his behavior fits the profile perfectly."

    This enables him to completely ignore any response, which he routinely does anyway, but throws this in for effect. Needless to say, he will never offer anything to backup his ad hominem statement.

    5. Miscellaneous: ".anyone who sees it will see that he's just a paid sophist."

    This is probably the worst one of all. For this enormous diversionary statement, he gets to ignore every single thing written by an expert in almost every aspect of the Apollo Missions. He gets to ignore a concise website detailing debunks for almost all his total crap. He gets to ignore every post made where he always get his ass handed to him. The basis for this is his "credibility test".

    6. Credibility Test: "This calls for a credibility test. XXXXXXX maintains that the Chinese spacewalk was real and not faked in a water tank. Do you agree with him?

    This is where the spammer uses one of his pre-determined idiotic conspiracies or erroneous claims as the yardstick for a credibility test. He is the arbitrator of its provenance therefore anyone who disagrees with it can now be referred to as "discredited" and all their rebuttal can be ignored.

    7. When all else fails: "I think the rest are moot now that you`ve been discredited and there are a lot of clear anomalies that prove the footage ...."

    So when he routinely gets his claim debunked, it is "moot" because of "all the others". It never occurs to him that all the other evidence has been debunked and was also "moot" when it was addressed. When pushed to provide a list of items to address, at all costs he will not do this because it can be seen where they have all been debunked.

    8. Just deny everything: "I've never seen it debunked. I've seen people try to obfuscate it and then consider it to have been debunked." or "I can't see what you're referring to."

    He's never seen ANYTHING debunked? An utterly ludicrous statement that he uses based on his own inept layman understanding. His ignorance apart, he seeks to pigeon hole every single debunk into responses that he says are diversion, because he says so. Or, he simply denies seeing something that is completely irrefutably obvious.

    9. Idiotic Closes: "You'd get laughed out of the debating hall ..."
    or
    "you're about as impressive as the Black Knight in this video"

    The sheer irony of this is always lost on him. If ever there was somebody who behaved like the Black Knight - as his arm gets chopped off it's a "moot point" it would be this serial forum spammer. There is not a debating environment on this planet where this person would show up to. He knows more than anyone that he would get the floor wiped with his drivel.

    10. Divert/Obfuscate/Re-spam: This is where he avoids the item completely and gish-gallops away with repeated spam. Almost certainly he will keep avoiding the original claim.

    11. Never mind that - look over here: When this hopeless individual has exhausted his inept repertoire of responses comes his most used spam. He resorts to spamming his wall of crap and ignoring the main issue!
    "Anyway, there's a ton of proof that the missions were faked and zero proof that they were real."
    "This lame stand of your totally exposes you as a shill*"
    "It just makes you look like a horse's a-s and the viewers can see it. I don't see any point in my continuing to reiterate this."


    What a sad, sad liar this person is. They have been humiliated completely on dozens of subjects, thousands of times on Apollo, yet they spew this cut and paste hogwash almost every time.
    12. Credibility Referbacks: When this hopeless individual has no answers he often resorts to just one liners concerning previous bullshit "Credibility Tests".

    "You've already said some pretty lame things so your judgement is obviously flawed."
    "....said the Man who tried to obfuscate the clear evidence of the Chinese Spacewalk"

    13. Moronic Translations: This is the ridiculous post where he interprets his crazy viewpoint on something regardless of how many times it has already been addressed. It usually has some bearing on his equally moronic "Credibility Tests".
    "Translation: The proof that the Chinese spacewalk is so clear that I'll just look silly if I try to obfuscate it so I'd better avoid addressing it."


    This person has been doing all of the above across 100's of forums for (best guess) coming up to 17 years. He cuts and pastes duplicate posts, responses, key phrases and dismissal videos. He determines any one or more of the above and posts them out, then slams a huge post with repeated and debunked bullshit. There is simply no level of response that can get through to somebody who has terminal Dunning and Kruger syndrome."




    Bullshit. You made a moronic claim that it used the same system as the Russians, who landed much less accurate mobile reflectors(they lost one of them). The ones used on Apollo required very accurate alignment according to the instructions supplied by the French company who built them. They show evidence of such alignment.

    You failed to show one single piece of evidence for the testing, building, launch, control and not one piece of evidence of any person who worked on it, got paid doing it or any paper or money trail. You pulled it out of your butt. You always do that. Then you claim it is unreasonable to expect evidence for something you obtained from your butt.
     
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    I have a new blog work in progress where I have utterly destroyed his Martian wall of spam - no need to point out, that as with the complete blog debunking his Apollo wall of spam, he won't address this either!

    NASA's Mars Missions (the-insanity-of-cosmored-the-spammer.blogspot.com)

    And you are basing yours on bullshit speculation on narrow fields of observation, then using this to generalise across the entire mainstream. That is dishonest, moronic and so typical of the inept level of your posts.

    Batshit. No it doesn't. It distorts narrow and small sectors very occasionally in terms of its advertising revenue allegiance, as with all business.

    Might it? You mean if we listen to the horseshit that you believe without question or verification?

    It's moronic to dismiss the entire mainstream media based on ignorance and batshit.

    Cuba being so well informed as to the accuracy of the USA history. Meh!!

    Irrelevant. If such a thing was an official story, then the people making the claim are morons.

    A quite colossally stupid claim. The internet is a sea of fake news and heavily influences gullible people on social media. American people are not limited to normal news outlets. But even crap US TV companies like Fox news ran a story on it, based on some of the dumbest batshit on the web. All debunked in several informed places, needless to say, never acknowledged by the likes of you.
     
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    Yet you can't provide even one.
     
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    Do you want to set this guy straight on this Beta? I know you're an expert.
     
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    You aren't and this is trolling. Kindly logoff and find a productive activity.
     

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